What if...

[Sassy]

And yet your 'omni' God did nothing.

Hi Gordon,

What evidence is there to prove that God, both yours and mine, did nothing?

Knowing God and who he is, what should he have done?

[Sassy]

Which all goes to show that God is not in charge, by his own volition.  If you keep your dogs on a leash, then you are in charge of them.  However if you unleash the dogs of war, then you are no longer in charge of them.  By giving mankind freewill, God abdicated his former position of being in charge.

Hi Torridon,

Dogs on a leash do not have free will. Dogs off a leash do not have free will. Since it is both the choice of a human being.
Since the dogs have no choice in the matter.

[Sassy]

So did Hitler do the things he did because of God's plan or in spite of God's plan?

Morning JP,

What do you think? If God, sees the end from the beginning, if you could see the end for everyone, does that mean you predestined the ends for each person or just knew the choices which they made?

I believe God knowing means for those who belong to him he can  work all things for their good.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Could it be that he sees what the universe has made of itself?

[jeremyp]

Morning JP,

What do you think?

I don't think there is a god. The question has no meaning from the point of view of an atheist, but you are not an atheist.

If God, sees the end from the beginning, if you could see the end for everyone, does that mean you predestined the ends for each person or just knew the choices which they made?

I believe God knowing means for those who belong to him he can  work all things for their good.

What's the answer to my question?

[torridon]

Hi Torridon,

Dogs on a leash do not have free will. Dogs off a leash do not have free will. Since it is both the choice of a human being.
Since the dogs have no choice in the matter.

It's an analogy, Sassy. Anyway, it makes no difference; if humans have free will, then God is not in charge.

[Sassy]

It's an analogy, Sassy. Anyway, it makes no difference; if humans have free will, then God is not in charge.

Explain, how God is not in charge?
If he knows the end  from the beginning how does he become no not in charge? even if you make it none hands on...then how do you account for the parting of the waters to escape when in Egypt?
God can get involved when he people want him to. Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omnicient, In all times and present. He knows every though and things that are whispers.
God knows everything and everyone there is he, knowing all things. I know who I trust.

[Aruntraveller]

God knows everything and everyone there is he, knowing all things.

And knowing all things and not doing anything about the nasty things humans do, makes him complicit.

Your God is supremely indifferent to the suffering that he knows will happen to his "children".

In my mind I have to change the definition of God to an uncaring bastard.

[torridon]

Explain, how God is not in charge?
..

That is what 'free will' means.  By granting humans freedom, he gave up being in charge of them.  Humans are now free to do what they want

[SqueakyVoice]

God’s plan made a hopeful beginning.
But man spoiled his chances by sinning.
We trust that the story
Will end in God’s glory,
But at present the other side’s winning.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Other limericks may be available.