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Re: Critical thinking, Why? Because apparently I am rubbish at it.
« Reply #175 on: May 17, 2025, 09:12:44 PM »
Dear Gordon,

Nice, my Faith is empty, this is the result of your critical thinking, another fundamental point of critical thinking is confirmation bias, how is your confirmation bias Gordon, and please remember you are human, I have met you, I can vouch for that very fact.

Gonnagle.

It's not confirmation bias though: it's simply the complete absence of any credible arguments or evidence for 'God' in the first place: therefore, there are no good reasons for me to take the 'God' notion seriously, nor anything that flows from that (such as religious traditions or holy books).


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« Reply #176 on: May 17, 2025, 09:18:26 PM »
Nice, my Faith is empty...

Since you don't know (or won't tell us) what you think 'God' is, this appears to be quite literally true. The object of your faith is without meaning. 
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« Reply #177 on: May 17, 2025, 10:02:42 PM »
It's not confirmation bias though: it's simply the complete absence of any credible arguments or evidence for 'God' in the first place: therefore, there are no good reasons for me to take the 'God' notion seriously, nor anything that flows from that (such as religious traditions or holy books).

Dear Gordon,

Yes, keep telling yourself that, but your answer does give me pause for thought, are Atheists scared to be human?

Goodnight and may your, oops! silly me.

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« Reply #178 on: May 17, 2025, 10:10:50 PM »
Since you don't know (or won't tell us) what you think 'God' is, this appears to be quite literally true. The object of your faith is without meaning. 

Dear Stranger,

We had the conversation but your answers were "off the top of my head" and "probably" which made me wonder, should I have a conversation with someone who treats the greatest virtues a man could aspire to with off the top of my head and probably.

Goodnight Sir.

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Re: Critical thinking, Why? Because apparently I am rubbish at it.
« Reply #179 on: May 17, 2025, 10:14:54 PM »
Dear Gordon,

Yes, keep telling yourself that, but your answer does give me pause for thought, are Atheists scared to be human?

Goodnight and may your, oops! silly me.

Gonnagle.

I'm ok with being human: it's just that I don't need 'God' to be human, and I think I act like a human when dealing with 'stuff' since being human is all I can ever be (even if, at times, it isn't easy).

Goodnight Gonners.

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Re: Critical thinking, Why? Because apparently I am rubbish at it.
« Reply #180 on: May 17, 2025, 10:31:08 PM »
We had the conversation but your answers were "off the top of my head" and "probably" which made me wonder, should I have a conversation with someone who treats the greatest virtues a man could aspire to with off the top of my head and probably.

Answers? I think I said that once. Anyway, the reason was simply that I was asking you what you thought 'God' meant and you started going on about human virtues. We could discuss human virtues forever and a day, but if you think 'God' is human virtues, which was your initial claim, you'd then, in most senses of the word, be an atheist. You didn't like that and immediately contradicted yourself.

Which is worse, a vague comment or blatant self-contradiction?
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« Reply #181 on: May 17, 2025, 11:21:50 PM »
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But regarding intellectual empathy, you or rather the Atheist fraternity do not give me much to work on, "there ain't no God" limits me in practicing my empathy.

Think you are completely missing the point of empathy.

A clue for you, it doesn't work by getting all huffy when people don't bow to your assertions about religion and then throwing out phrases like "Atheist fraternity".

Anyway, right back at ya, because "there is a God that I know exists, but you are too stupid to see it" is not exactly a great starting point from your end either. You religionists are all the same.  :P
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« Reply #182 on: Today at 10:15:48 AM »
Think you are completely missing the point of empathy.

A clue for you, it doesn't work by getting all huffy when people don't bow to your assertions about religion and then throwing out phrases like "Atheist fraternity".

Anyway, right back at ya, because "there is a God that I know exists, but you are too stupid to see it" is not exactly a great starting point from your end either. You religionists are all the same.  :P

Dear Arun, a very good morning to you ;)

Yes my huffiness, something I need to work on, maybe I should consult a huffy Doctor, usually starts when I log onto this damn forum >:(

Anyway lets look on the bright side of life 🎵always look on the bright side of life🎵

Empathy, I thought it was a very old word but no.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/empathy-emotion-and-experience/201911/the-surprising-history-empathy#:~:text=The%20word%20%E2%80%9Cempathy%E2%80%9D%20thus%20appeared,feelings%20and%20movements%20into%20objects.

Aesthetic empathy can help us understand that our selves are not simply contained within our bodies, and our minds are not locked within our skulls. Instead, we can acknowledge our inherent connection to a world beyond ourselves. A harmonious relation to the world, according to early empathy theorists, was integral to the experience of beauty.


Yes this forum can certainly be a education :)

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Re: Critical thinking, Why? Because apparently I am rubbish at it.
« Reply #183 on: Today at 11:46:06 AM »
Of course I make moral judgements all the time.

Only yesterday I was wondering where I could locate a shotgun to deal with the mother sat in our local pub at noon on her third glass of wine whilst in charge of her 2 children both of whom were under 5.

I don't however base my judgements on a book that has on occasions been used to justify all sorts of dubious punishments.
Sure, you may not - and that is of course your prerogative based on your nature/ nurture.

Given religious books offer more than what someone subjectively considers to be "dubious punishments" based on the current cultural mores, other people may connect with various ideas about morality and spirituality in religious books and find them useful - that's their prerogative.

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Which brings me to Gonnagle's point about being only human. If the suggestion is that religions go wrong, or at least aren't "true to God" because humans are involved and are flawed, does the same apply to the holy books that have been written?
Could be. The evidence seems to be that whether a holy book is flawed or not is a matter of faith.

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If that is the case, how flawed are the holy books? 10% 30% 50%? Which interpretation is the true one? How do you know? Is Gonnagle basing his interpretation on his inbuilt sense of kindness/prejudice, etc?
You don't know which interpretation is the true one. You just do the best you can based on your individual nature/ nurture to try to interpret and understand the stories in the books  and apply it to the environment you currently live in.

My nature/ nurture determines how much I prioritise social order and accountability over freedom and kindness. And living in the relative safety of London, my morality is different to if I was living in the middle of a war zone or living in a deprived, dangerous, inhospitable environment and trying to create some order or enforce social cooperation to defend against threats that are significantly more life-threatening than my inability to be my "authentic self".
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« Reply #184 on: Today at 11:51:02 AM »
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significantly more life-threatening than my inability to be my "authentic self".

Not sure what you are saying.
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« Reply #185 on: Today at 02:50:50 PM »
I'm ok with being human: it's just that I don't need 'God' to be human,
I am  quite certain that without God there would be no such thing as "human".
In fact, without God there would be no such thing as anything.

And yes, you are free to label this as "assertion" or "personal incredulity" - by utilising your gift of free will.
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« Reply #186 on: Today at 02:59:51 PM »
Not sure what you are saying.
An “authentic self” seems more of a 1st world problem, and leads to some people passing judgement on other current and historical societies and cultures. The article below expands on the idea of “self” and its relationship with nature/ nurture.

https://academic.oup.com/pq/advance-article/doi/10.1093/pq/pqaf008/7989935
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« Reply #187 on: Today at 03:02:48 PM »
I am  quite certain that without God there would be no such thing as "human".
In fact, without God there would be no such thing as anything.

And yes, you are free to label this as "assertion" or "personal incredulity" - by utilising your gift of free will.
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« Reply #188 on: Today at 03:14:05 PM »
I am  quite certain that without God there would be no such thing as "human".
In fact, without God there would be no such thing as anything.

I'm sure you are, but since you never provide any hint of evidence or reasoning to support this certainty, we can conclude that it is just blind faith.

"Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false."
-- Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays.

And yes, you are free to label this as "assertion" or "personal incredulity" - by utilising your gift of free will.

No need for your impossibe, nonsensical version of free will, just a funtioning brain.
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Re: Critical thinking, Why? Because apparently I am rubbish at it.
« Reply #189 on: Today at 03:37:20 PM »
I am  quite certain that without God there would be no such thing as "human".
In fact, without God there would be no such thing as anything.

And yes, you are free to label this as "assertion" or "personal incredulity" - by utilising your gift of free will.

Which I'm happy to do: I don't have 'free will' as you envisage it - nobody does.