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Re: Evidence
« Reply #150 on: April 17, 2017, 08:15:25 AM »
https://ncse.com/blog/2014/11/top-5-creationist-claims-grand-canyon-1-great-unconformity-0015968
I would suggest the duck test for the great unconformity. If it doesn't look as though a billion years separate two layers, it's most likely that they didn't!
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2017, 03:12:25 PM »
I would suggest the duck test for the great unconformity. If it doesn't look as though a billion years separate two layers, it's most likely that they didn't!
Equally then, if it doesn't look like that the entire earth was covered by a flood 4000 years ago, it's most likely that it wasn't!
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #152 on: April 17, 2017, 04:45:17 PM »
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2017, 10:28:48 AM »
https://ncse.com/blog/2014/11/top-5-creationist-claims-grand-canyon-1-great-unconformity-0015968
So a piece of rock a centimeter above the dividing line is a billion years younger than a piece from a centimeter below it? And erosion of the surface of the lower layer by wind and rain during this time was prevented how, exactly?

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Re: Evidence
« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2017, 11:02:09 AM »
So a piece of rock a centimeter above the dividing line is a billion years younger than a piece from a centimeter below it? And erosion of the surface of the lower layer by wind and rain during this time was prevented how, exactly?

.. by the layers above it, which were eroded! D'oh.... ::)
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2017, 01:02:54 PM »
.. by the layers above it, which were eroded! D'oh.... ::)
Such erosion is not uniform but irregular, and would not have left the underlying surface flat, as we see it is.

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« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2017, 01:44:54 PM »
Such erosion is not uniform but irregular, and would not have left the underlying surface flat, as we see it is.
Not if the pressure from above flattens it.
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« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2017, 05:32:35 PM »
So a piece of rock a centimeter above the dividing line is a billion years younger than a piece from a centimeter below it?
Yep. Isn't nature amazing.

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And erosion of the surface of the lower layer by wind and rain during this time was prevented how, exactly?
Because there were layers above it, now missing, that did get eroded.
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« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2017, 05:34:02 PM »
Such erosion is not uniform but irregular, and would not have left the underlying surface flat, as we see it is.
How do you know the interface is flat?  The photograph only shows a very small part of the interface.
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #159 on: April 24, 2017, 09:02:13 PM »
Not if the pressure from above flattens it.
Good point.

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« Reply #160 on: April 24, 2017, 09:03:38 PM »
Yep. Isn't nature amazing.
Because there were layers above it, now missing, that did get eroded.
So is there any evidence for the missing layers that got eroded?

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« Reply #161 on: April 28, 2017, 03:38:18 PM »
Not if the pressure from above flattens it.

Is there evidence for any now-missing rocks that could have done that?

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« Reply #162 on: April 28, 2017, 03:39:45 PM »
How do you know the interface is flat?  The photograph only shows a very small part of the interface.
If you're referring to this:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rwolf/5137667115/in/photostream/
I don't think there is much doubt that the interface is flat.

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« Reply #163 on: April 28, 2017, 06:32:14 PM »
Is there evidence for any now-missing rocks that could have done that?
You only need the now present ones to have done it!
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #164 on: June 03, 2017, 09:31:49 AM »
You only need the now present ones to have done it!
The now present rocks were sand when deposited, so that is unlikely.

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« Reply #165 on: June 04, 2017, 01:54:33 AM »
The now present rocks were sand when deposited, so that is unlikely.
You mean that sand can become rock! Wow how long does that take?
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #166 on: June 11, 2017, 08:59:59 AM »
You mean that sand can become rock! Wow how long does that take?
Quite a while I guess. Isn't the question "Does pressure from overlying rocks flatten underlying ones?" I think you'll find that this is not the case. For example, do you think the rocks of the Curtis formation flattened the upper surface of the entrada sandstone, seen in this picture?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrada_Sandstone#/media/File%3AEntrada_Sandstone_capped_by_Curtis_Formation_in_Cathedral_Valley.jpg
So we still have no evidence for a billion year gap between the precambrian and entrada formations.
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #167 on: June 11, 2017, 09:26:39 AM »
Interestingly, the plain on which the entrada sandstone sits in the above picture is also flat

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« Reply #168 on: June 11, 2017, 10:39:23 AM »
Interestingly, the plain on which the entrada sandstone sits in the above picture is also flat
So why are they all flat then?
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #169 on: June 11, 2017, 10:41:18 AM »
Quite a while I guess.
How long would "quite a while" be, approximately?
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Re: Evidence
« Reply #170 on: June 11, 2017, 03:44:53 PM »
So why are they all flat then?
I don't know. I couldn't find out what kind of rock it is on the Cathedral Valley floor.
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« Reply #171 on: June 19, 2017, 04:29:03 PM »
Interesting piece about the decline and fall of the Egyptian empire - in Canaan. http://www.archaeology.org/issues/262-1707/features/5627-jaffa-egypt-canaan-colony
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« Reply #172 on: July 03, 2017, 08:30:53 AM »
      For the science-y geeks, here's a link to DNA research on the ethnicity of Ancient Egyptians. Some of the American 'racial purity' brigade have gone nuts, after assuming purely black origins. On the other hand, the data confirms what the rest of us have known for yonks; despite portraying a xenophobic iconography, diverse populations of migrant settlers from North Africa, the Middle East, Western Asia and even Europe helped stir the gene pool. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dna-genome-heritage/index.html
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« Reply #173 on: March 14, 2018, 11:23:27 AM »
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