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Title: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 30, 2023, 01:59:52 PM
On the Felt Presence thread there was mention of William.of Occam's razor:

https://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=20008.msg863550;boardseen#new


Prof D challenged it, and I sort of agree, I think it's a blunter tool than it's often used as. Thoughts?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 30, 2023, 03:14:42 PM
Occam's razor....interesting in what it implies about necessity and necessary entities.
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 30, 2023, 03:43:09 PM
Occam's razor....interesting in what it implies about necessity and necessary entities.

Care to expand?
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 31, 2023, 09:15:46 AM
Care to expand?
As far as I can see, The multiplication of entities beyond necessity in Occam's razor has mutated into merely the multiplication of entities where the aim is now to have as few entities as possible and that is now what constitutes a "win" in an argument, necessity being dispensed with.
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 31, 2023, 09:20:52 AM
As far as I can see, The multiplication of entities beyond necessity in Occam's razor has mutated into merely the multiplication of entities where the aim is now to have as few entities as possible and that is now what constitutes a "win" in an argument, necessity being dispensed with.
I think you might be using 'necessity' in that statement with 2 different meanings.
1. Necessity to an explanation

And

2. Necessity in itself, applying to the entity, even withoit explanatory purpose.

Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 31, 2023, 09:29:20 AM
I think you might be using 'necessity' in that statement with 2 different meanings.
1. Necessity to an explanation

And

2. Necessity in itself, applying to the entity, even withoit explanatory purpose.
No, I don't think so.I use the word necessity twice with the same meaning in two contexts...presence and absence.
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 31, 2023, 10:21:43 AM
No, I don't think so.I use the word necessity twice with the same meaning in two contexts...presence and absence.
Leaving aside your belief in that other's misuse the razor, do you think it has power?
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 31, 2023, 11:19:37 AM
Leaving aside your belief in that other's misuse the razor, do you think it has power?
I'm not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 31, 2023, 11:28:23 AM
I'm not sure what you mean.
Do you think it is useful? As per the OP, I think it's not actually that powerful as a tool.
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 31, 2023, 12:27:13 PM
Do you think it is useful? As per the OP, I think it's not actually that powerful as a tool.
Loses it's power when you don't know if one or more entities is necessary.or not.
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 31, 2023, 12:28:41 PM
Loses it's power when you don't know if one or more entities is necessary.or not.
How often do you know what is necessary?
Title: Re: Occam's razor: Sharp or blunt
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 31, 2023, 12:29:36 PM
How often do you know what is necessary?
precisely.