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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on August 24, 2025, 03:30:34 PM
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Fun with flags
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx271162ee3o
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Seems like an outbreak of patriotism in England, with perhaps some underlying politics in the background.
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This
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A couple have appeared near me. My initial reaction was annoyance as I was associating them with Reform types - which is a sad reaction to seeing our flag. We seem to be moving more towards American culture with this and moving away from traditional Englishness - which is ironic.
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A couple have appeared near me. My initial reaction was annoyance as I was associating them with Reform types - which is a sad reaction to seeing our flag. We seem to be moving more towards American culture with this and moving away from traditional Englishness - which is ironic.
I think this is part of the problem. The sight tends to make one think massive racist fuckpuffin in splashcuba's flow chart. Probably even more so for the awest of Scotland it tends since to be flown for sectarian reasons here, though possibly the red hand of Ulster is even more indicative of that. Indeed we have lots of fun with flags here. Adding in the Irish flag, and the Palestinian flag with all the others.
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It turns out little Yvette Cooper is the flag shagger in chief:
https://www.thepoke.com/2025/09/02/yvette-cooper-so-many-flags-home-23-funniest-responses/
Currently, this is the best response I've seen:
Oh god. The politicians are actually having a Union Jack-off.
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It turns out little Yvette Cooper is the flag shagger in chief:
https://www.thepoke.com/2025/09/02/yvette-cooper-so-many-flags-home-23-funniest-responses/
Currently, this is the best response I've seen:
Oh god. The politicians are actually having a Union Jack-off.
Smile on her face, all the time she wants to take your place, flag shaggers
https://youtu.be/UCY6flzgfA4?si=zibvNT5h6Q86Nl96
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Keir loves a flag, shag the flag
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/keir-starmer-said-hangs-england-134349699.html
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A couple have appeared near me. My initial reaction was annoyance as I was associating them with Reform types - which is a sad reaction to seeing our flag. We seem to be moving more towards American culture with this and moving away from traditional Englishness - which is ironic.
Dear Maeght, ( morning mate :P )
Traditional Englishness! What exactly is that?
As for this flag waving stuff :) I love it, but would prefer more of the good old St George, St Andrew and St Patrick flag, the good old Red White and Blue ;)
Gonnagle the Flag Shagger :P
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Dear Maeght, ( morning mate :P )
Traditional Englishness! What exactly is that?
As for this flag waving stuff :) I love it, but would prefer more of the good old St George, St Andrew and St Patrick flag, the good old Red White and Blue ;)
Gonnagle the Flag Shagger :P
Traditionally reserved and understated in displaying patriotism. Of course that only goes back a certain way into the past!
Basically, we generally aren't ones to have flags everywhere like they do in America.
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Traditionally reserved and understated in displaying patriotism. Of course that only goes back a certain way into the past!
Basically, we generally aren't ones to have flags everywhere like they do in America.
Dear Maeght,
Thank you for the clarification and this is exactly what I have always thought, I am British dontcherknow or I am English dontcherknow, a quiet reservation about who and what they are, no need for banner or flag waving but I think at this time at this very moment in history there is a case for saying hang on old chap it is nice to welcome fellow humans who are suffering but lets not forget we have a duty of care to our own.
The flag wavers and shouters at hotels have a point and as long as it is peaceful protest I will stand shoulder to shoulder with them, just wondering where in Glasgow to hang my Union Jack :P
Gonnagle flag waver extraordinaire.
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Dear Maeght,
Thank you for the clarification and this is exactly what I have always thought, I am British dontcherknow or I am English dontcherknow, a quiet reservation about who and what they are, no need for banner or flag waving but I think at this time at this very moment in history there is a case for saying hang on old chap it is nice to welcome fellow humans who are suffering but lets not forget we have a duty of care to our own.
The flag wavers and shouters at hotels have a point and as long as it is peaceful protest I will stand shoulder to shoulder with them, just wondering where in Glasgow to hang my Union Jack :P
Gonnagle flag waver extraordinaire.
Would Jesus have waved a flag and shouted at a hotel?
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Some local wanker or group of wankers have turned a local zebra crossing into a red-crossing, and hung a union jack from the light post.
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Some local wanker or group of wankers have turned a local zebra crossing into a red-crossing, and hung a union jack from the light post.
Reclaim the streets!
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Dear Forum,
THIS ISLAND RACE💕
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9eC2H5GWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sERiPuOQyvo&list=RDsERiPuOQyvo&start_radio=1&t=50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEbGC1UWaLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ujvOWWfpY&list=RDj7ujvOWWfpY&start_radio=1
Gonnagle The Flag Waver :P
PS: And of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBSTYiHg0aE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEbGC1UWaLQ
When I were nobbut a lad, the Scottish anthem was 'Scotland the Brave'. which is jolly and stirring. Why it was change to this dreary dirge is anyone's guess.
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When I were nobbut a lad, the Scottish anthem was 'Scotland the Brave'. which is jolly and stirring. Why it was change to this dreary dirge is anyone's guess.
There isn't an official one. Scotland the V
Brave used to break played at the Comminwralth Games up till 2020 when FoS replaced it, in part because it had become the de facto anthem at other occasions like rugby internationals. I dislike both songs but you are right that FoS is a dirge. Before Scotland the Brave, Scots Wha Hae was used which which is also dirgelike.
The only other main contender is Highland Cathedral which is an ok tune but has no words - though i am not opposed to the idea of.
I'd go for Shang a Lang by The Bay City Rollers
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Dear H,
Because!! BECAUSE!! We are Scottish :P and a favourite pastime of us Jocks is to poke a sharp stick in the eye of the English, we cannae help it, it's in the blood even if you are a die hard Unionist like myself ( well mostly ??? ) and if you look at the lyrics to the song
And stood against him
Proud edward's army,
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
We are doing just that ;)
I was for a while not a fan of Flower of Scotland until I discovered that it was written by one of my Heroes a Mr Roy Williamson ( who is sadly not with us anymore :( RIP Roy ) who was one part of a famous Scottish duo "The Corries" who kind of revitalised Scottish folk back in the seventies, Mr Williamson also wrote Scotland will Flourish but that doesn't have a go at the English, well it does but in a very back handed sort of way ;)
Anyway ;D
"Wha's like us, damn few an' they're a' deid,"
Gonnagle.
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Dear Forum,
THIS ISLAND RACE💕
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9eC2H5GWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sERiPuOQyvo&list=RDsERiPuOQyvo&start_radio=1&t=50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEbGC1UWaLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ujvOWWfpY&list=RDj7ujvOWWfpY&start_radio=1
Gonnagle The Flag Waver :P
PS: And of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBSTYiHg0aE
I was discussing the flag phenomenon over the weekend with my brother and my nephew and what we thought was the most appropriate response. We came up with:
a). Simply ignore them and it will all (literally) blow over - my response.
b). Add 'Welcome's all' to each flag - my brother.
c). Head out at night and remove them - my nephew
And as the whisky flowed we added two more.
d). Place a pirate flag above/below each one
e). Collect together an army of marxist political community choir members who will congregate at each flag site and sing Jerusalem at top volume.
The point with e) is that it will likely blow the minds of the 'flag waving/shouting at hotels' crowd as they simply won't be able to work out the meaning of the counter action.
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I was discussing the flag phenomenon over the weekend with my brother and my nephew and what we thought was the most appropriate response. We came up with:
a). Simply ignore them and it will all (literally) blow over - my response.
b). Add 'Welcome's all' to each flag - my brother.
c). Head out at night and remove them - my nephew
And as the whisky flowed we added two more.
d). Place a pirate flag above/below each one
e). Collect together an army of marxist political community choir members who will congregate at each flag site and sing Jerusalem at top volume.
The point with e) is that it will likely blow the minds of the 'flag waving/shouting at hotels' crowd as they simply won't be able to work out the meaning of the counter action.
Dear Prof,
So in essence lets just make fun of the flag wavers and hotel shouters, yes/no??
Gonnagle.
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Dear Prof,
So in essence lets just make fun of the flag wavers and hotel shouters, yes/no??
Gonnagle.
Well my default view that we should simply ignore them isn't making fun of anyone.
And I'm not sure any of the options (with perhaps the exception of d) is making fun. The point about Jerusalem is that it provides a rebuttal to the somewhat disingenuous notion that the plans are merely innocent patriotism rather than having a deeper and darker political meaning. So the repost to 'well why can't we just put up our country's flags to show our patriotism' would be singing a piece often sung jingoistically at Last Night of the Proms, but which has multiple meanings including that building 'Jerusalem on England's green and pleasant land' actually means creating a country fit for all that live here.
So actually the message is one of subtle subversion rather that making fun.
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Dear Prof,
Subtle subversion or just making fun? Well Prof this is just me chuntering out loud but I can't help but see a similar pattern emerging, one I have witnessed and so has every other poster on this forum, in fact we have a thread running all about a certain individual, Donald Trump, wonderful man saviour of the nation ::)
I honestly thought at the time, no, most definitely not, how can they elect that man a second time, apart from everything else the man is a convicted criminal but guess what!
So now we come to dear old blighty, surely not you cry, us British, well we are more savvy, we would never ever elect someone like Donald, would we, well would we Prof!
I am not the sharpest pencil in the box and I am still wondering how that man became head of one of the most powerful nations in the world but one theory I have, the good people of America just decided, enough is enough :o
I did read in one news outlet that he who must not be named is actually thinking of forming a government :-[ we certainly do live in interesting times >:(
Gonnagle.
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Dear Prof,
Subtle subversion or just making fun? Well Prof this is just me chuntering out loud but I can't help but see a similar pattern emerging, one I have witnessed and so has every other poster on this forum, in fact we have a thread running all about a certain individual, Donald Trump, wonderful man saviour of the nation ::)
I honestly thought at the time, no, most definitely not, how can they elect that man a second time, apart from everything else the man is a convicted criminal but guess what!
So now we come to dear old blighty, surely not you cry, us British, well we are more savvy, we would never ever elect someone like Donald, would we, well would we Prof!
I am not the sharpest pencil in the box and I am still wondering how that man became head of one of the most powerful nations in the world but one theory I have, the good people of America just decided, enough is enough :o
I did read in one news outlet that he who must not be named is actually thinking of forming a government :-[ we certainly do live in interesting times >:(
Gonnagle.
America thought that 'enough is enough'. Well that's a view. But there are other views, most notably that the USA has a deep rooted misogynostic and racist streak running through it. So Trump stands against a (white) woman - Trump wins (albeit not on popular vote). Trump stands against a white man - Trump loses. Trump stands against a black woman - Trump wins.
So how much of this is about 'enough is enough' and how much is that the USA isn't prepared for a woman president, let alone a black woman president.
And remember that this is Trump's second term, so 'enough is enough' doesn't really apply as he is part of the establishment that this 'enough is enough' should be railing against given that he was president from 2017 to 2021.
Not that this provides particular comfort as Farage doesn't have the baggage that Trump has when running for a further term. That said I am far from convinced that Farage is a shoe-in at the next election. My view (certainly my hope) is that he has a low ceiling and that (as we've seen in other countries) supporters of other parties with coalesce around the 'keep Farage out' options. It is also unlikely that there will be an election until 2029 (certainly not if Farage looks like winning) - that's an awful long time for the currently bright Farage flame to keep burning. He has a long track record of getting board and/or falling out with his supporters.
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Dear Prof,
Subtle subversion or just making fun? Well Prof this is just me chuntering out loud but I can't help but see a similar pattern emerging, one I have witnessed and so has every other poster on this forum, in fact we have a thread running all about a certain individual, Donald Trump, wonderful man saviour of the nation ::)
I honestly thought at the time, no, most definitely not, how can they elect that man a second time, apart from everything else the man is a convicted criminal but guess what!
So now we come to dear old blighty, surely not you cry, us British, well we are more savvy, we would never ever elect someone like Donald, would we, well would we Prof!
I am not the sharpest pencil in the box and I am still wondering how that man became head of one of the most powerful nations in the world but one theory I have, the good people of America just decided, enough is enough :o
I did read in one news outlet that he who must not be named is actually thinking of forming a government :-[ we certainly do live in interesting times >:(
Gonnagle.
Not sure what your point is here, not sure you know either
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Dear Sane,
My point, the flag wavers and hotel shouters have genuine grievance's but the people in power are not listening, this is not rocket science, I understand their frustration so should the people in power.
One side is branded haters/racist/uneducated and the other side is goody goody but unpatriotic, both sides should be listened to instead of trying for political point scoring.
The Farages of this world are loving this, watching the ordinary man and woman at each others throats and the Tories being Tories will try and out do Farage.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
My point, the flag wavers and hotel shouters have genuine grievance's but the people in power are not listening, this is not rocket science, I understand their frustration so should the people in power.
One side is branded haters/racist/uneducated and the other side is goody goody but unpatriotic, both sides should be listened to instead of trying for political point scoring.
The Farages of this world are loving this, watching the ordinary man and woman at each others throats and the Tories being Tories will try and out do Farage.
Gonnagle.
Listening to does not mean excusing making the flag a sign of hate, and yes, Farage is taking advantage of that but you can't just blame the politicians because then what you you are doing is saying that all of those involved are just too stupid to know they are being taken advantage of.
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Listening to does not mean excusing making the flag a sign of hate, and yes, Farage is taking advantage of that but you can't just blame the politicians because then what you you are doing is saying that all of those involved are just too stupid to know they are being taken advantage of.
Dear Sane,
Stupid!! Probably because they are angry, do people make good choices when they are angry, of course they don't.
Well we agree on Farage and he will keep fanning the flames of anger.
Blaming politicians, all day long, who's idea was it to house immigrant's in hotels, bloody stupid idea.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
Stupid!! Probably because they are angry, do people make good choices when they are angry, of course they don't.
Well we agree on Farage and he will keep fanning the flames of anger.
Blaming politicians, all day long, who's idea was it to house immigrant's in hotels, bloody stupid idea.
Gonnagle.
As opposed to what? We get the politicians we deserve in a democracy, and just blaming then as they exist as a seperate species is useless. Anger may be an energy but it doesn't mean you are right in any way.
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As opposed to what? We get the politicians we deserve in a democracy, and just blaming then as they exist as a seperate species is useless. Anger may be an energy but it doesn't mean you are right in any way.
Though Mandelson may be a different species
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As opposed to what? We get the politicians we deserve in a democracy, and just blaming then as they exist as a seperate species is useless. Anger may be an energy but it doesn't mean you are right in any way.
Dear Sane,
Anger may be an energy but it doesn't mean you are right in any way.
Or wrong.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
Anger may be an energy but it doesn't mean you are right in any way.
Or wrong.
Gonnagle.
Didn't say it did.
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Rispect are culcher! (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/sep/13/uk-politics-latest-news-unite-the-kingdom-march-far-right-rally-london-labour-keir-starmer)
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... the flag wavers and hotel shouters have genuine grievance's ...
No they don't. If they have shitty lives, it is almost certainly not the fault of the immigrants but their own choices.
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No they don't. If they have shitty lives, it is almost certainly not the fault of the immigrants but their own choices.
or maybe it's a tad more complex than that simplistic false dichotomy
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or maybe it's a tad more complex than that simplistic false dichotomy
You give them too much credit.
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You give them too much credit.
Snotty, elitist pish
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Rispect are culcher! (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/sep/13/uk-politics-latest-news-unite-the-kingdom-march-far-right-rally-london-labour-keir-starmer)
But Keir has a flag in his room
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Best AI slop of the day, but then it did come from a Twitter account called "God Save Great Britain" with an IP address in India.
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No they don't. If they have shitty lives, it is almost certainly not the fault of the immigrants but their own choices.
Dear JP,
Shitty lives!! Well I have to confess that my usual go to for news is the good old BBC and the majority of people who have been interviewed of the flag wavers and hotel shouters are not complaining about "their shitty lives".
Just looking at the BBC coverage of what's happening in London, is everyone holding a Saltire, St Georges flag and the Union Jack a racist!! Was wondering where I could hang my Union Jack in Glasgow but it will have to wait need to dust off my KKK regalia and drag out that burning cross I was saving for a rainy day >:(
Gonnagle.
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Dear JP,
Shitty lives!! Well I have to confess that my usual go to for news is the good old BBC and the majority of people who have been interviewed of the flag wavers and hotel shouters are not complaining about "their shitty lives".
Just looking at the BBC coverage of what's happening in London, is everyone holding a Saltire, St Georges flag and the Union Jack a racist!! Was wondering where I could hang my Union Jack in Glasgow but it will have to wait need to dust off my KKK regalia and drag out that burning cross I was saving for a rainy day >:(
Gonnagle.
Such great patriots
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydezxl0xlo
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I note that Hatey Cockpins and Laurence Fox were involved; also some thuggish-looking neanderthal called Ant Middleton, who one trusts is not related to the Princess of Wales.
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I note that Hatey Cockpins and Laurence Fox were involved; also some thuggish-looking neanderthal called Ant Middleton, who one trusts is not related to the Princess of Wales.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_Middleton
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Which flag?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2v7y0rdpwo
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My impression is that, for the most part, what we're seeing is xenophobia masquerading as patriotism.
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I've always had an antipathy to flags of any sort. I think this was instilled in me by my father, who had no time for any displays of nationalism or patriotism.
I remember being astounded on my first visit to the USA in 1981 that my very liberal American friend had a flagpole with the Stars and Stripes duly attached to it in her front garden. It made me feel quite uneasy, as do the White/red combos that keep popping up with alarming regularity nowadays.
I had thought that the UK was, on the whole, more sensible about flags than the USA. Another of my internal myths has been fully demolished.
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I suspect that in the US their flag is probably a statement of their patriotism: where that does seem to be a distinct part of their culture, whereby they sing their national anthem at the drop of a hat, whilst holding a hand over their heart.
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I've always had an antipathy to flags of any sort. I think this was instilled in me by my father, who had no time for any displays of nationalism or patriotism.
I remember being astounded on my first visit to the USA in 1981 that my very liberal American friend had a flagpole with the Stars and Stripes duly attached to it in her front garden. It made me feel quite uneasy, as do the White/red combos that keep popping up with alarming regularity nowadays.
I had thought that the UK was, on the whole, more sensible about flags than the USA. Another of my internal myths has been fully demolished.
As mentioned earlier, coming from the West of Scotland, there has often been more flag waving than elsewhere in the UK. I have to admit that because of that I fing Gonzo's attitude a little surprising. The sectarian overtones of the various flags makes me viscerally react to the sight. That said, i feel like I understand the attitude mo. There is a lot of fear and confusion in those waving them. Some of that may well be xenophobia, but to an extent that xenophobia has a rationale, and is backed up by other fears, around lack of control.
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I suspect that in the US their flag is probably a statement of their patriotism: where that does seem to be a distinct part of their culture, whereby they sing their national anthem at the drop of a hat, whilst holding a hand over their heart.
it's worth remembering that there are still issues in the US with the Confederate flag, and its meaning. I think the attempt at healing following their civil war, plays into a more open attempt at unity.
As noted in my reply to Aruntraveller, our own more recent links to forms of civil war, I think makes it harder to unify under one flag. Overlay that with the connection to empire and the issues of race, there makes the Union flag odd, and that we have the multitude of flags for the countries, and there is a weird difficulty in seeing it as just patriotism. Unless of course you are Keir Starmer with your wee flag room.
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tbh I hate to see UK politicians wrap themselves in the Union flag, mainly as a regular backdrop: not all of us in the UK find that to be a look we approve of. It also seems to me that the current use of the Union flag is replaying the madness and xenophobia of Brexit.
I have a visceral distaste for both the Union Jack and the UK national anthem, though to be fair both are easily avoided.
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Which flag?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2v7y0rdpwo
Fuckwits, fuckwits, there were never such revolting fuckwits...
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Fuckwits, fuckwits, there were never such revolting fuckwits...
It may be inchoate rage, but in some ways it may be caused by lies from politicians?
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It may be inchoate rage, but in some ways it may be caused by lies from politicians?
I meant specifically the idiots putting up St George flags in Wales.
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As mentioned earlier, coming from the West of Scotland, there has often been more flag waving than elsewhere in the UK. I have to admit that because of that I fing Gonzo's attitude a little surprising. The sectarian overtones of the various flags makes me viscerally react to the sight. That said, i feel like I understand the attitude mo. There is a lot of fear and confusion in those waving them. Some of that may well be xenophobia, but to an extent that xenophobia has a rationale, and is backed up by other fears, around lack of control.
Dear Sane,
Gonzo's altitude :o What is Gonners attitude, feck knows ???
I see one side saying if you raise the flag of your country you are a racist and a fascist, I honestly don't think I am either of those two, but I may be wrong.
I see flag wavers angry at immigrants being put up in hotels and telling me that we have veterans and homeless on the street, why are we putting migrants in hotels, newsflash we had veterans on the street and homeless way before we had the influx of migrants, where was your anger then, wankers!
But I see this flag waving as a catalyst, do something about the homeless, do something about the veterans and stop putting migrants in hotels it is just adding fuel to the fire.
To end, I also want to see an end to a NHS Nurse or Doctor trying to help a new born baby when Mum and Dad can't speak a word of English, almost every single day I see this, thin end of the wedge, maybe this is the real reason I want to raise my Union Jack.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
Gonzo's altitude :o What is Gonners attitude, feck knows ???
I see one side saying if you raise the flag of your country you are a racist and a fascist, I honestly don't think I am either of those two, but I may be wrong.
I see flag wavers angry at immigrants being put up in hotels and telling me that we have veterans and homeless on the street, why are we putting migrants in hotels, newsflash we had veterans on the street and homeless way before we had the influx of migrants, where was your anger then, wankers!
But I see this flag waving as a catalyst, do something about the homeless, do something about the veterans and stop putting migrants in hotels it is just adding fuel to the fire.
To end, I also want to see an end to a NHS Nurse or Doctor trying to help a new born baby when Mum and Dad can't speak a word of English, almost every single day I see this, thin end of the wedge, maybe this is the real reason I want to raise my Union Jack.
Gonnagle.
The attitude that flag waving doesn't have a long history of xenophobia, hate, and sectarianism in the West of Scotland but is just a harmless pastime. And the attitude that glides over the violence in the protests as if it doesn't happen. The attitude that has skipped over the attacks on the police in London yesterday.
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The attitude that flag waving doesn't have a long history of xenophobia, hate, and sectarianism in the West of Scotland but is just a harmless pastime. And the attitude that glides over the violence in the protests as if it doesn't happen. The attitude that has skipped over the attacks on the police in London yesterday.
Dear Sane,
Good morning Sir :) Where to begin, firstly no one is gliding over the violence, I am certainly not, I condemn the violence and our Prime Minister is condemning the violence in fact the violence is the headline, the focus ( well it was yesterday, headline today is some prick called Mandelson ) Mr Starmer is making big about our national flags being stolen by the ones resorting to violence, a minority, are all flag wavers brick throwing thugs, are they? this is what the press would have you believe.
The flag wavers are being ignored or vilified, but not by the Farages of this world, they are rubbing their hands in glee, as I go about my ordinary humdrum life I am meeting ordinary people just like myself who are in full agreement with the flag wavers.
To end and only because you mentioned the word, sectarianism, strange thing is a certain group in Glasgow who would choke at seeing the Union Jack flying are actually agreeing with the flag wavers :o
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
Good morning Sir :) Where to begin, firstly no one is gliding over the violence, I am certainly not, I condemn the violence and our Prime Minister is condemning the violence in fact the violence is the headline, the focus ( well it was yesterday, headline today is some prick called Mandelson ) Mr Starmer is making big about our national flags being stolen by the ones resorting to violence, a minority, are all flag wavers brick throwing thugs, are they? this is what the press would have you believe.
The flag wavers are being ignored or vilified, but not by the Farages of this world, they are rubbing their hands in glee, as I go about my ordinary humdrum life I am meeting ordinary people just like myself who are in full agreement with the flag wavers.
To end and only because you mentioned the word, sectarianism, strange thing is a certain group in Glasgow who would choke at seeing the Union Jack flying are actually agreeing with the flag wavers :o
Gonnagle.
At mo point did you actually mention the violence, and that is gliding over it. You referred to the waving of flags as if it was all peaceful,,it isn't and hasn't been. Standing with the flag wavers as you stated you do, without dealing with that is glossing over it.
And Glasgow and the West of Scotland has suffered a surfer of flags for too long, from too many on different sides of the political divide for it just to be the innocent pastime you are portraying it as. This is not new.
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The first time I was punched by someone carrying a flag, I was 10 and wearing the 'wrong' school uniform. The flag was the red hand of Ulster one. Now while I admit that those and other incidents over the last 50 years have soured me against flag wavers, that antipathy is not sectarian, as just as many pricks on either side of flag waving divides
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The first time I was punched by someone carrying a flag, I was 10 and wearing the 'wrong' school uniform. The flag was the red hand of Ulster one. Now while I admit that those and other incidents over the last 50 years have soured me against flag wavers, that antipathy is not sectarian, as just as many pricks on either side of flag waving divides
Dear Sane,
as just as many pricks on either side of flag waving divides
Correct, and the trick as I see it is to listen to both sides of the non prick divide or maybe, just maybe listen to the pricks to.
"Smart people learn from everything and everyone, average people from their experiences, and stupid people already have all the answers"
A quote often attributed to Socrates :o
Which category are you in, smart, average or stupid 8)
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
as just as many pricks on either side of flag waving divides
Correct, and the trick as I see it is to listen to both sides of the non prick divide or maybe, just maybe listen to the pricks to.
"Smart people learn from everything and everyone, average people from their experiences, and stupid people already have all the answers"
A quote often attributed to Socrates :o
Which category are you in, smart, average or stupid 8)
Gonnagle.
The one not wanting to be punched one, and the one that has seen peopke talk about flag waving being just an innocent pastime my entire life, and how it's just a minority but on participating in the flag waving giving cover for the ones that punch.
What does the 10 year old me do in that situation, oh Socratic one? Say 'I feel your pain'? Because I fucking didn't I felt mine.
ETA - I did listen to him as well. So well that over 59 years later, I can tell you he said 'wee fenian cunt'
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The one not wanting to be punched one, and the one that has seen peopke talk about flag waving being just an innocent pastime my entire life, and how it's just a minority but on participating in the flag waving giving cover for the ones that punch.
What does the 10 year old me do in that situation, oh Socratic one? Say 'I feel your pain'? Because I fucking didn't I felt mine.
ETA - I did listen to him as well. So well that over 59 years later, I can tell you he said 'wee fenian cunt'
Dear Sane,
Well lets call it Karma, I think I was about 12 years old at the time, 41 bus to Ehouse, I was wearing my blue white and red scarf minding my own business when a rather inebriated old fenian cunt boarded the Bus and proceeded to give me dogs abuse, I think I was saved from actual physical harm by two Glasgow wifies ( God Bless Glasgow wifies ) telling him to sit down and mind his language, happily he got off two stops later where I then proceeded to give him the vicky, funny the memories we keep from our childhood 8)
Gonnagle.
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The patriotism good, nationalism bad idea is the sort of simplistic circular approach which politics is filled with. Anyway Tim's up to fight for the flag
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd11n14zz1o
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Tommeh Ten Names deported twice in one day. LOL!
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tommy-robinson-deported-colombia-panama-why-398214/
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Brian Bilston Poem about roundabouts: