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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Walt Zingmatilder on June 15, 2025, 09:13:46 AM »
It's rather funny that you can see the very same problem with what I've said that I've trying to get over to you. Nothing you've said about a 'necessary entity' answers this question.

Think about it.

Why, oh why do you continually look at everything I say as an argument for or against something? I specifically said "I'm not arguing that this is the case, it's just logically possible."

The universe (space-time) might 'just be'. That's just a logical possibility, given what we know at the moment. I care not one jot about 'necessity' because I can't see how it can possibly make logical sense and you seem totally unable to explain how it could. To be fair, I've never found anybody else who can either.

I'm open to being persuaded, but I cannot see how it makes sense and nobody I've discussed it with yet seems able to explain it logically.

Is this load of theobabble supposed to mean something?

I think it's ambiguous, because if the whole universe is a 'block' that just is, then nothing in it could not exist.

Again, I regard the argument from contingency to be total bollocks.
Does that piece of "theobabble" mean anything?
Putting aside God isn't mentioned, yes, it does...as does your apparent incomprehension of it.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Gordon on June 15, 2025, 09:02:31 AM »


I am sorry about the trouble you are having with the site. is there anywhere I could made a donation to help you financially after that double payments?
Let me know and I can see what I can do.
Doesn't seem fair you should handle all the cost's.

 :D

Thank you Sassy, but no: it is easier and more practical to have all this done by just one person. The extra costs and technical issues of the last couple of months were a one-off: the old service is now defunct, so we're back to a single service.

Fortunately, as dictators go, I'm a benign one  8)

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Christian Topic / Re: Atheists, must try harder✝️
« Last post by Stranger on June 15, 2025, 08:52:57 AM »
Sassy,

You don't have to read all of the Harry Potter books to gain a "comprehensive understanding" that people don't fly around on broomsticks.   

But Harry Potter, wasn't written as Gods Word. In Harry Potter no one arose from the dead.  We know full well who wrote the Harry Potter books. We have seen her and we know nothing
of her books were about anything in this world. That God is a creator with power the bible says he speaks and it is done.
Harry Potter uses a power called Magic. God has his own power.
Hi hope you are well. :D



You've also posted a lot of unsupported assertions about the bible. Oh, and BTW, I could name several books of fiction in which people do rise from the dead...
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Stranger on June 15, 2025, 08:33:32 AM »
The trouble there though is the question why it is that way when another configuration is conceivable.

It's rather funny that you can see the very same problem with what I've said that I've trying to get over to you. Nothing you've said about a 'necessary entity' answers this question.

Think about it.

Does what you're saying stop space time being necessary because it could be no other way. I would say no .So yes you are arguing for necessity and against it IMHO, because you are saying space time accounts for contingency.

Why, oh why do you continually look at everything I say as an argument for or against something? I specifically said "I'm not arguing that this is the case, it's just logically possible."

The universe (space-time) might 'just be'. That's just a logical possibility, given what we know at the moment. I care not one jot about 'necessity' because I can't see how it can possibly make logical sense and you seem totally unable to explain how it could. To be fair, I've never found anybody else who can either.

I'm open to being persuaded, but I cannot see how it makes sense and nobody I've discussed it with yet seems able to explain it logically.

Coming to something rather than nothing, Does nothing exist? or better still does non existence exist? And if it was a choice between nothing and something, something had to actualize that choice, since nothing is incapable of either choosing or actualisation or effecting that decision.
Therefore we have an unactualized actualized, and that which has been actualized.

Is this load of theobabble supposed to mean something?

In terms of no entities being contingent, I'm not sure who believes that and operates on it and would certainly say the burden of proof is on someone who suggests it.

I think it's ambiguous, because if the whole universe is a 'block' that just is, then nothing in it could not exist.

Again, I regard the argument from contingency to be total bollocks.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by torridon on June 15, 2025, 08:32:46 AM »
Hi Gordon,

When you know the answer to that question you might already have come to know God.
I came here tonight and was met with the above, whilst reading the replies suddenly lead to other posts but found my way back,
It is not the easiest of searches because I believe it starts with the heart and true search wanting to believe.

If you start from a position of 'wanting to believe', then you are merely indulging your confirmation bias, not being a true student of life.
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Christian Topic / Re: David Wilkerson book The Vision.
« Last post by Maeght on June 15, 2025, 08:29:38 AM »
You do not have authority or knowledge to sustain what you are writing. You cannot decide what passes as a prophecy and what doesn't. We have terrorist in the world who carry out their threats
so what is that? Prophecy telling something before they do it? Truth is that God has warnings in the bible.

While there have been claims of finding evidence like solidified footprints and chariot remains on the Red Sea floor, suggesting the biblical Red Sea crossing by the Israelites, these claims are not universally accepted and are often disputed by archaeologists and scientists. The "footprints" are not definitively identified as human or of any specific origin, and the "fossilized" nature of the remains is debated.


So did the waters part and then close on the chariots and Egyptians as told in the bible.  Do you know the Egyptians never wrote about battles they lost they wiped failures out of history.
I have studied many things over the years and read up on the accounts of how others lived,

The Possible Palace, Tomb and Statue of Joseph
One last stunning piece of evidence for Joseph exists, and that brings us back to his burial in Goshen, and his bones that were removed by Moses at the time of the Exodus. In this same area in Goshen, where a large contingent of Semites lived, a great palace has been discovered, with a garden and a tomb, curious in its combination of Egyptian and Semitic styles. Rohl and his colleagues believe the palace is that of Joseph, perhaps his retirement villa after many years of service to Pharaoh. It has two apartments in front, suggesting the living quarters of his sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. In the rear are the more spacious living quarters of the prime occupants, perhaps Joseph and his Egyptian wife.

Adjacent to the ruins of the palace, there is an elegant garden area, and in the garden was an unusual tomb. The tomb was in the shape of a small pyramid, but it is clear that the vault was broken into and the remains removed. However, the damage to the tomb was not like that done by the all too common grave robbers of Egypt. It appears to be a careful and methodical removal of bricks from the tomb, as one would expect where the bones of Joseph were carefully removed from his long-used grave by Moses. Could it be that we have here the very tomb of the great patriarch Joseph? The evidence certainly takes it out of the realm of mythology, even for the hardened scientist, and into the realm of accurate history.

One thing is for sure.... If, Jesus and Joseph never existed or if he didn't do all he did, why is it spread all over the world now over 2,000 years later?
Who in history is more talked about than Christ and characters who lived the bible?

I do not accept what you say for you have no evidence at all. At least the evidence for the bible is being supported by finds which lets be truthful, men could not walk on the bottom of any sea so deep in the time of the biblical heroes and the Prophets. Can you disprove God? Can you disprove his word the most sold publication ever?

Offer me than opinion...show me you looked and what you present ever is nothing more than trying to prove only what you believe. :D

None of that addresses the points about so called prophecy.

Jesus may have existed - I think he probably did - but jut because stories about him spread and are still told doesn't mean the stories actually happened.
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Christian Topic / Re: Isaiah 7:14
« Last post by Maeght on June 15, 2025, 08:27:42 AM »
Test it?

That's right you cannot test it, because you have never studied the bible and NRSV is not the bible the scholars who translated it, did. The King James is the one the Jewish people and our scholars believe to be nearest to the truth. WHY?  Because there was not always a word to match some of the hebrew words. So they wrote something nearest to it and made a mark in the margin to explain.

So do you still believe the " experts" for the NRSV better, the only experts really are the Scholars all 70 of them who made the first translation. I believe the LORD lead me to the KJV for accuracy and all born of the Spirit and Truth where GODS Spirit teaches them.
Ephesians 6:17, the "sword of the Spirit" is identified as the Word of God.  you need to add the Helmet of Salvation too.

What makes the bible real is the presence of God in your life. The reason for the knowledge of Salvation and truth., Without, you will always be at odds with the world and the truth about Christ.

BIB is not true.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Stranger on June 15, 2025, 08:11:27 AM »
When you know the answer to that question you might already have come to know God.
I came here tonight and was met with the above, whilst reading the replies suddenly lead to other posts but found my way back,
It is not the easiest of searches because I believe it starts with the heart and true search wanting to believe.

Now think about yourself. In life you might not want God to be real. Might, not really search so you don't have to accept these facts or not.
Just try to think do you want the truth or do you want to remain ignorant to the possibilities that it could be the worst decision you make?

I find it literally hilarious when religionists say things like this. I've done my fair share of searching in my life and come to a few conclusions that I later saw were clearly false. That's why I've now been an atheist for many decades.

When doing a genuine search for truth, the last thing you should do is start with the conclusion you want. That's why "Searching for God" is a very misguided thing to do if you want to get as close to the truth as we can.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Walt Zingmatilder on June 15, 2025, 07:09:35 AM »
Christ on a bike! How many more times? I'm not arguing for anything. I'm not the one making claims here, that would be you. I'm just pointing out that you're about 30,000 light-years away from making a case for a necessary entity.

Everything would be contingent on the universe/space-time. Alternatively, since we have the B-theory of time, you could say that nothing's contingent as the universe, everything in it, and all of its history, just is.

To be clear: I'm not arguing that this is the case, it's just logically possible.
The trouble there though is the question why it is that way when another configuration is conceivable.

Does what you're saying stop space time being necessary because it could be no other way. I would say no .So yes you are arguing for necessity and against it IMHO, because you are saying space time accounts for contingency.

Coming to something rather than nothing, Does nothing exist? or better still does non existence exist? And if it was a choice between nothing and something, something had to actualize that choice, since nothing is incapable of either choosing or actualisation or effecting that decision.
Therefore we have an unactualized actualized, and that which has been actualized.

In terms of no entities being contingent, I'm not sure who believes that and operates on it and would certainly say the burden of proof is on someone who suggests it.

The block universe is of course something like philosophers have described God's view of the universe for centuries.

I suppose you are going to say the perception of cause and effect is yet another "Illusion".

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Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Wordle
« Last post by Steve H on June 15, 2025, 03:14:57 AM »
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