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The attempts by the Tories to try and distance themselves from their responsibility for the use of hotels is sad, unsurprising and indicative of a complete lack of integrity

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7vlpdqeg4qo
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And also gives a focus for all the mini roundabout painters.
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Overturned on appeal. I think Reforn would probably be happy about that as it makes it easier for then to attack both govt and Tories.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1ej52299lqt
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Christian Topic / Re: Who wrote the gospel attributed to Matthew?
« Last post by Spud on August 29, 2025, 02:15:00 PM »
I intended to talk about why the author of Matthew must have been one of the twelve disciples. Most people believe that the author used Mark as the source for his narrative, and that he could not have been Matthew, because it would be unlikely that an apostle would rely on an account written by someone who wasn't an apostle.

But Matthew's narrative has its own distinct structure, such that that it cannot have been derived from Mark. And each section of his teaching material is set in a definite context within the narrative, and follows naturally from that context. Additional material has been added to both the narrative and teaching material either by the original author or a later editor.

The contents of the pre-edited text of Matthew show signs of direct association with Jesus during his ministry.

For example, Mark states simply that after John the Baptist was arrested, Jesus came to Galilee and began to preach. Matthew however gives the reason for Jesus' move to Galilee, saying that "When Jesus heard that John had been imprisoned, He withdrew to Galilee" and "From that time on Jesus began to preach". Then, after John's execution, Mark, like Luke, explains Jesus' withdrawal from the public eye as due to a need for rest, whereas Matthew says that it was because Jesus heard about John. In both instances Matthew links Jesus' withdrawal to Herod's actions towards John. This is what we would expect if the author was one of the twelve disciples, who would have had this kind of inside information about Jesus' ministry, in contrast with Mark for whom that detail was apparently not important. For another example, the author of Matthew (but not Luke or Mark) mentions flute players at Jairus' house when Jesus arrived there, typical of eyewitness recollection.
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Christian Topic / Re: Who wrote the gospel attributed to Matthew?
« Last post by Spud on August 29, 2025, 02:14:07 PM »
But you are simply describing the narrative style of the gospels - effectively narrating the claimed story of Jesus as if it is contemporaneous (i.e in the present) when we know that they were written at best decades later and, in reality, discussing something in the past.

So, of course, Matthew needs to allude to the destruction rather than simply say 'hey look what happened 5 years ago in CE70'. But also prophesying is a highly risky game unless you are writing with hindsight - in other words the thing you are prophesying has already happened, which is, of course, what Matthew is doing. Knowing full well that the destruction has happened but writing as if it is some kind of prophetic future event.

So basically what Matthew is doing is creating a narrative as follows: 'Judas rejected and betrayed Jesus and look what happened to him - he was punished and cursed. And now the whole of the jewish people are rejecting Jesus and so they will be punished and cursed' - knowing full well that this had already come to pass through the destruction and the narrative that the early church were creating around that event.

So yes, it only really makes sense if written after the destruction (as basically all serious bible scholars agree).

And I come back to my other point - the earliest actual texts we have on field of blood or prophecy of destruction are from way, way later than CE70 so even if there was some text earlier than the destruction there was plenty of opportunity for this to be revised to take account of the destruction and the purported fulfilled prophecy (actually merely fitting a prophetic narrative to an event that had already happened).
I really can't imagine how it would help an author who wants to persuade his readers to reject Judaism and embrace Christianity, to create the narrative that the Jews have recently been punished for rejecting Jesus, yet pretend that it hasn't yet happened.
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Last post by Nearly Sane on August 29, 2025, 01:47:01 PM »
'UK blocks Israeli government delegation from arms trade fair' - so macho



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgpxwy2lkwo
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Definitely balloons involved somewhere in this. It's like a story Reform would make up.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qlxxxpq35o
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Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Football 2025 - 2026
« Last post by Nearly Sane on August 29, 2025, 12:12:31 PM »
For various reasons, we have a soft spot for Grimsby and found the result most gratifying. That it was Man Utd they beat made it even more pleasurable.

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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Reform runs away from Free Speech
« Last post by ad_orientem on August 29, 2025, 11:50:38 AM »
More on this from The Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/28/the-guardian-view-on-reform-uk-v-the-nottingham-post-a-councils-boycott-of-its-local-paper-is-both-petty-and-alarming

It appears to me that it is straight out of Trump's playbook. Sideline and ridicule any real scrutiny to further your own disinformation and to cover your own lack of knowledge.

Yep. Straight out of his handbook. Only invite media to your press conferences that won't criticise you, even those that were exposed as having received 400k a month to spread russian propaganda.
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