Who's the greatest post Second World War British football manager?

[jeremyp]

You did read the 'post Second World War' bit didn't you.

Clearly not, but it doesn't change my point. Graham was a good manager at times, but not a great manager.

So if you don't want Graham and Dalgleish on the list, who would you replace them with as post Second World War British managers?

Why do I have to replace them? Is there some law that says you have to have fourteen?

[ProfessorDavey]

So what? Scottish football is nowhere near as competitive as English football. If you get to be in charge of Celtic, anything less than winning the Premier League is failure. That is the context in which Jock Stein had success.

True - but he also won the European Cup - which is the most prestigious trophy you can win in club football.

[ProfessorDavey]

Why do I have to replace them? Is there some law that says you have to have fourteen?

No - you don't have to have 14, but I'm intrigued as to whether you think Graham and Dalglish are the 13th and 14th greatest British managers since the second world war - in which case they deserve their place in the long list. If you don't think that, who do you think is greater than them, meets the criteria, and is not on the list.

[Nearly Sane]

True - but he also won the European Cup - which is the most prestigious trophy you can win in club football.

And reached the final again in 70, and semi finals in 73 and 74

[jeremyp]

I suspect due to the factual inaccuracies of jeremyp's post that it is a bit of substandard trolling, It's a pity though that the inability to spell Dalglish correctly has infected Prof D.

I suspect you can go and shove it right up your arse.

Seriously, you are accusing me of trolling because my computer auto corrected Dalglish?

[ProfessorDavey]

But the criterion is not "who is the best British manager" - that is unquestionably Alex Ferguson

Probably, although I went for Paisley as his record of trophies to years in management is second to none.

- it is "who is the greatest". Ramsey is the greatest because he won the World Cup.

That's only if you think that the world cup is the most challenging trophy to win as a manager - I'm not convinced it is and I certainly don't think you can just assume it is simply because it is called the world cup. Certainly back in the earlier days of the world cup home advantage was huge and international management is a very different thing from club management.

So no I don't think Ramsey is the greatest - he had one massive high spot but the rest of his managerial career was fairly non-descript. Seems the public didn't think so either (even though I imagine people voting would be tipped heavily in favour of English fans) - only 1% thought he was the greatest.

[Nearly Sane]

I suspect you can go and shove it right up your arse.

Seriously, you are accusing me of trolling because my computer auto corrected Dalglish?

No, I suspected you of trolling because of that, your suggestion that Chapman was valid, your suggestion that the first British manager to win the European Cup was only on the list because of their achievements Scotland which also showed your ignorance of the ongoing successes in the European Cup including the reaching the final in 70 when they beat Revie's Leeds home and away, and your ignorance a number  of other Scottish clubs doing well in Europe as per my earlier link on Dundee reaching the semi final in the European Cup, or in 67 Rangers reaching the Cup Winners Cup final and Kilmarnock reaching the semi finals of the Fairs Cup, and of course the win at Wembley over Ramsey's team.

[ProfessorDavey]

Thinking a bit more about club vs international football.

I wonder what would happen if you put the most recent world cup winners (France) up against the most recent world club champions (Liverpool) - who would win. My gut is that Liverpool would win and I think for some while the very best club sides have been better than the very best national sides.