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... Trump documentary edit

I note that so far the BBC hasn't mentioned the report also covered their bias over trans issues, or Gaza in this. Just another failing. It's difficult to maintain support for it even with the fear of something worse. Bad nanny.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt
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The resignations filled with non apology apologies


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k02vr1my2o

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If the details of the report are accepted then it becomes difficult to portray this as purely a few mistakes.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt
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As has been mentioned elsewhere, the role of director general is too big. To be dealing with everyone from Huw Edwards down and then to be the editor in chief makes no sense for an organisation this large. The roles need to be split.

Probably won't stop the now seemingly headlong rush to get rid of what is still the best broadcaster in the UK,(those with vested interests have certainly been gifted an opportunity too good to miss) but as the song says: "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone"
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As has been mentioned elsewhere, the role of director general is too big. To be dealing with everyone from Huw Edwards down and then to be the editor in chief makes no sense for an organisation this large. The roles need to be split.

Probably won't stop the now seemingly headlong rush to get rid of what is still the best broadcaster in the UK,(those with vested interests have certainly been gifted an opportunity too good to miss) but as the song says: "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone"
And Davey's sounding off is just more  great for those who want to get rid of it because it blatantly ignores the issues.



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This is from one of the sites I follow on FB. Sometimes he's right and sometimes he's far left. On this, he is right. I still remember the injustice of that coverage of the miners strike:
 
The BBC director general Tim Davie and the News CEO Deborah Turness have both resigned over a BBC Panorama show that edited two parts of a Donald Trump speech together to create a misleading representation of his comments about the Capital Hill Riot on January 6th 2021.
It's important to note that this kind of misleading editing isn't new for the BBC at all. The only new thing is that they're actually holding themselves to account for it this time.
One of the most famous examples came in 1984 when BBC editors deliberately reversed the order of footage taken at the Battle of Orgreave during the Miners' Strike, to create the grossly misleading impression that the violent police charge into the miners came about after miners started throwing objects at the police, rather than before.
The BBC never apologised for this.

Another notable example happened in 2017, when Laura Kuenssberg used misleading editing techniques to attack Jeremy Corbyn, by splicing a different question and answer together.

The BBC didn't just refuse to apologise, they let Kuenssberg keep her job despite acknowledging her brazen disregard for BBC impartiality and accuracy guidelines, then they actually gave her a subsequent promotion and even more power and influence over the BBC's political coverage!

It's interesting to see who they apologise and subserviently pander to when they get caught out, and who they don't.
They don't apologise or resign after they're caught smearing British workers; they don't apologise or resign when they're caught smearing British politicians from the left; but then heads roll when they're caught smearing a radically right-wing overseas politician.

Ideally they'd have stopped using misleading editing techniques like this after Kuenssberg was caught red handed smearing Jeremy Corbyn, but why on earth would they have, when they saw her not just get away with it scot-free, but actually land a massive promotion afterwards?
The only reason they're taking it seriously now is that they got caught attacking someone wealthy and powerful on the right. So it seems likely that the only lesson they'll learn from this is that misleading editing techniques are reserved only for the British people and the British left from now on, because using them against the right actually results in consequences.

This is from AAV (Another Angry Voice) should anyone wish to read more.
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This is from one of the sites I follow on FB. Sometimes he's right and sometimes he's far left. On this, he is right. I still remember the injustice of that coverage of the miners strike:
 
The BBC director general Tim Davie and the News CEO Deborah Turness have both resigned over a BBC Panorama show that edited two parts of a Donald Trump speech together to create a misleading representation of his comments about the Capital Hill Riot on January 6th 2021.
It's important to note that this kind of misleading editing isn't new for the BBC at all. The only new thing is that they're actually holding themselves to account for it this time.
One of the most famous examples came in 1984 when BBC editors deliberately reversed the order of footage taken at the Battle of Orgreave during the Miners' Strike, to create the grossly misleading impression that the violent police charge into the miners came about after miners started throwing objects at the police, rather than before.
The BBC never apologised for this.

Another notable example happened in 2017, when Laura Kuenssberg used misleading editing techniques to attack Jeremy Corbyn, by splicing a different question and answer together.

The BBC didn't just refuse to apologise, they let Kuenssberg keep her job despite acknowledging her brazen disregard for BBC impartiality and accuracy guidelines, then they actually gave her a subsequent promotion and even more power and influence over the BBC's political coverage!

It's interesting to see who they apologise and subserviently pander to when they get caught out, and who they don't.
They don't apologise or resign after they're caught smearing British workers; they don't apologise or resign when they're caught smearing British politicians from the left; but then heads roll when they're caught smearing a radically right-wing overseas politician.

Ideally they'd have stopped using misleading editing techniques like this after Kuenssberg was caught red handed smearing Jeremy Corbyn, but why on earth would they have, when they saw her not just get away with it scot-free, but actually land a massive promotion afterwards?
The only reason they're taking it seriously now is that they got caught attacking someone wealthy and powerful on the right. So it seems likely that the only lesson they'll learn from this is that misleading editing techniques are reserved only for the British people and the British left from now on, because using them against the right actually results in consequences.

This is from AAV (Another Angry Voice) should anyone wish to read more.
Which of course misses out that the issue hete was if anything dine from a left wing viewpoint, though as often mentioned these labels are less and less use. And Orgreave, and abomination oc reporting, but drawing a direct line between today and something  40 years ago seems nuts. And of course the report isn't just about the Trump issue.

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The memo in its entirety

https://archive.ph/F5K38

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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2025, 07:41:38 AM »
As far as I am concerned, very much this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/10/stand-up-and-defend-bbc-right-resignations
I feel a lot of this and the defences of the BBC, and the attacks on it, have issues with 'whichsideism' which I was covering here

https://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=22853.0

Ed Davey'sstatement was very much like that - any questioning about the BBC was a support for Trump. L9ts of defences i have seen have portrayed the Trump edit as almost accidental. They have then ignored that edit was approved of post hoc by the board of the BBC .

At the same time, it's noticeable to me that some in the gender critical movement have decided that this is all some huge conspiracy and reject any defence of the BBC at all calling for its abolition. As argued in the which side thread, the lack of nuanced from different sides pushes thise on the other side further away.

The future of the BBV has been a discussion for some time now. The licence fee is an odd beast, as noted in Toynbee's articke. The move to streaming from live TV. The expansion in competition. I can understand why it's not been a priority for this govt given other issues but Lisa Nandy hasn't lead the discussion and at times has seemed merely to follow the criticisms as in Bob Vylan.


As an aside it is, of course, demonstrated here again that the
idea  that Trump supports free speech is laughable

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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2025, 10:50:21 AM »
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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2025, 09:45:07 AM »
The memo in its entirety

https://archive.ph/F5K38
Hmm - and how can we be sure that those writing a memo about purported lack of impartiality at the BBC are not themselves acting impartially in performing that task and actually have an agenda themselves.

Interesting article about Michael Prescott's background and also that of Robbie Gibb, the person instrumental in appointing him to do the job.

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/11/11/bbc-bias-memo-lobbyist-trump-tech-giants/

I've read the memo and frankly it is completely ludicrous in terms of providing forensic and compelling evidence of bias - the BBC produces thousands of hours of output across huge numbers of outlets and programmes, yet this memo is largely based on a handful of 'cherry-picked' examples. Without looking at the output in the round you cannot determine whether output overall lacks impartiality - remember that the BBC is perfectly entitled to produce one programme or item that may look at an issue from a particular angle provided that this is balanced elsewhere in their output.

But the humdinger of humdingers in this memo - the Panorama piece about the cut and shut editing of two different parts of Trump's Jan 6th speech ... yet in this very memo Prescott does exactly the same. So Prescott was actually guilty of editing Trump's speech in a memo which criticises the BBC for ... err ... editing his speech.

The system is again refusing to allow me to add the direct quote from Prescott - but you can check it out yourself - look at what Prescott claims Trump said (something about 'peaceful and patriotic') and compare to the actual footage, which is widely available (about cheering brave senators and congressmen and women) - my emphasis. To me using the term brave seems like a veiled threat - why would you need to be brave unless you were under threat.
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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2025, 11:09:00 AM »
Given Trump is at this stage going ahead suing the BBC, it will be interesting how this plays into the relationship he has with Starmer. I saw calls from the Lib Dems telling Starmer to phone up Trump and tell him to stop which I think 'misoverestimates' the relationship. But with Trump seemingly thinking that the givt is somewhat more involved with the BBC than it is, he may well play this out as the Trump vs the BBC and British Govt.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0yz5r8lypo

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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2025, 07:31:20 PM »
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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2025, 09:26:12 PM »
What does Donald Trump think he can achieve by pursuing his case in the Florida courts?  Should we see this as evidence of his exceptional intelligence level?
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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2025, 09:32:51 PM »
What does Donald Trump think he can achieve by pursuing his case in the Florida courts?  Should we see this as evidence of his exceptional intelligence level?

No (although I know that wasn't a serious question). What he can achieve is portray the BBC as one more "fake news" channel. He is trying the same trick with the New York Times and other publishers. It isn't about the money - well I'm sure he'd welcome it, if he did manage to sue successfully, although most organisations appear to settle out of court for much lower (relatively) amounts.

It feeds into his narrative of fake news against him and plays well with his base. These cases also act as a distraction from other things that are happening like ummm what's his name - oh yes, Epstein and tariffs and the general fuckwittery he is indulging in.

I am so annoyed with the BBC for letting this happen btw.
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Re: BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over ...
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2025, 10:48:42 PM »
My point was really about removing the case from the only jurisdiction in which its pursuit is valid. The programme concerned (which I believe was made by a contractor rather the BBC itself) is not available on iPlayer nor has it been transmitted in the USA. Concerning this case the Florida (presumably) state court has no competence.
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