Discussions ongoing about new party, says Corbyn

[Nearly Sane]

With Zarah Sultana who has resigned from the Labour Party


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0wvkg492ro

[Steve H]

The raisin Sultana left the Labour party is that she doesn't like its currant direction.

[Nearly Sane]

even if she had stayed, I think Starmer might have been thinking about pruning her from the party

[Aruntraveller]

Enough pun-ishment for one day, thank you. Bunch of would-be jokers.

[Nearly Sane]

Interesting bit of analysis on the possible new party, with big impact on Green and 18 - 24 vote.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedg56670qdo

[Steve H]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/12/zarah-sultana-launches-fundraising-drive-for-new-leftwing-party

[Nearly Sane]

Not Your Party, apparently


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdeze706jw8o

[Nearly Sane]

Falling apart before they ever existed?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zarah-sultana-baseless-attacks-on-my-character-are-politically-motivated/ar-AA1MWa7S

[Steve H]

Looks as though I'll be voting Green next time after all, unless they get their act together.

[Nearly Sane]

So it's all sweetness and light? I fear this now makes the whole thing look even worse in a way. One day calling in the lawyers, thd next saying you don't want to makes you look a mess. And the boys' club rhetoric will be hard to get passed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q77y25l48o

[Gonnagle]

The raisin Sultana left the Labour party is that she doesn't like its currant direction.

Dear Forum,

See!! It is a play on words, raisin=reason and currant=current, see, SEE!! just thought I would help out, now old Sane, see that's a fail, a prune is a plum, doesn't work! see! as we say in Glasgow, he is on to plums.

Anyway back on topic, this is just what old blighty needs another fuckin party, and what will they be, lefties, left of centre, far left or, OR, dare I say it Commies, oh no! or another out dated word socialist, what is a socialist? someone who likes socialising!

What we really need is the current, ( not currant )  political parties to start talking to each other and stop trying to gain political fuckin points off each other, the ordinary man/woman on the street ( me ) is sick of the bullshit, stop trying to divide the Nation and actually bring us all together, yea I know, stop being a 🎵  daydreamer
I'm walking in the rain
Chasing after rainbows I may never find again🎵

David Cassidy for Prime Minister❤️

Gonnagle.

PS: I like Mr Corbyn, allotment holder, a very British institution.

[Aruntraveller]

the ordinary man/woman on the street ( me ) is sick of the bullshit, stop trying to divide the Nation and actually bring us all together,

Whatever Starmer's faults are, I don't think you can accuse him of trying to divide the nation.

NEWSFLASH: The nation is already divided. The division has always been there, of course, but intensified by 14 years of austerity and mismanagement and corruption. Then supercharged by the very tool we are using currently, so that any twat with enough money can rig the game in favour of whoever they want.

The current (or currant) situation does not lend itself to easy solutions, and your trite call to "bring us all together" shows just how much you have not grasped what is happening in this nation. I don't see how I can be brought together with Reform voters who think it is perfectly ok to call for the deliberate sinking of boats in the channel. I think you may be missing quite how much hate is being generated around that and other issues.

If you want me to spell it out, come the next election Reform will win, spurring a descent into a maelstrom where any acceptance of norms in political and judicial life, encouraged by aforementioned twats, will be abandoned.

I'm here all week to bring you all the rays of sunshine you need.

[Nearly Sane]

Whatever Starmer's faults are, I don't think you can accuse him of trying to divide the nation.

NEWSFLASH: The nation is already divided. The division has always been there, of course, but intensified by 14 years of austerity and mismanagement and corruption. Then supercharged by the very tool we are using currently, so that any twat with enough money can rig the game in favour of whoever they want.

The current (or currant) situation does not lend itself to easy solutions, and your trite call to "bring us all together" shows just how much you have not grasped what is happening in this nation. I don't see how I can be brought together with Reform voters who think it is perfectly ok to call for the deliberate sinking of boats in the channel. I think you may be missing quite how much hate is being generated around that and other issues.

If you want me to spell it out, come the next election Reform will win, spurring a descent into a maelstrom where any acceptance of norms in political and judicial life, encouraged by aforementioned twats, will be abandoned.

I'm here all week to bring you all the rays of sunshine you need.

I agree with most of that. I'd add that the idea that this is somehow the fault of politicians, and the voter is a lovely person which is just a bit stupid and gets manipulated by the politicians, is all a bit sad. We get the politicians we deserve.

[Gonnagle]

Whatever Starmer's faults are, I don't think you can accuse him of trying to divide the nation.

NEWSFLASH: The nation is already divided. The division has always been there, of course, but intensified by 14 years of austerity and mismanagement and corruption. Then supercharged by the very tool we are using currently, so that any twat with enough money can rig the game in favour of whoever they want.

The current (or currant) situation does not lend itself to easy solutions, and your trite call to "bring us all together" shows just how much you have not grasped what is happening in this nation. I don't see how I can be brought together with Reform voters who think it is perfectly ok to call for the deliberate sinking of boats in the channel. I think you may be missing quite how much hate is being generated around that and other issues.

If you want me to spell it out, come the next election Reform will win, spurring a descent into a maelstrom where any acceptance of norms in political and judicial life, encouraged by aforementioned twats, will be abandoned.

I'm here all week to bring you all the rays of sunshine you need.

Dear Trent, who luvs ya baby, me

If you want me to spell it out, come the next election Reform will win, spurring a descent into a maelstrom where any acceptance of norms in political and judicial life, encouraged by aforementioned twats, will be abandoned.



Please no But there is a danger of this happening, why? because the politicians are not listening, to much far left this far right that and its bollocks, I have always been a Corbyn supporter but I am also 100% behind the Flag wavers, the peaceful protest flag wavers, they exist, I know because I am one of them.

The current (or currant) situation does not lend itself to easy solutions, and your trite call to "bring us all together" shows just how much you have not grasped what is happening in this nation. I don't see how I can be brought together with Reform voters who think it is perfectly ok to call for the deliberate sinking of boats in the channel. I think you may be missing quite how much hate is being generated around that and other issues.


Trite, trite, I would be offended if I didn't love you so much I hear the hatred, I see the hatred and the flames of this hatred are being fanned by the Farages of this world and politicians of all flavours are not helping when they brand me as a racist and fascist, I don't even know what a fascist is, Mussolini was one but I am not Italian.

As for Mr Starmer, I think he would make a very good lawyer, oh and let me address Mr Sane, politicians are servants, servants of the people.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Trent, who luvs ya baby, me

If you want me to spell it out, come the next election Reform will win, spurring a descent into a maelstrom where any acceptance of norms in political and judicial life, encouraged by aforementioned twats, will be abandoned.



Please no But there is a danger of this happening, why? because the politicians are not listening, to much far left this far right that and its bollocks, I have always been a Corbyn supporter but I am also 100% behind the Flag wavers, the peaceful protest flag wavers, they exist, I know because I am one of them.

The current (or currant) situation does not lend itself to easy solutions, and your trite call to "bring us all together" shows just how much you have not grasped what is happening in this nation. I don't see how I can be brought together with Reform voters who think it is perfectly ok to call for the deliberate sinking of boats in the channel. I think you may be missing quite how much hate is being generated around that and other issues.


Trite, trite, I would be offended if I didn't love you so much I hear the hatred, I see the hatred and the flames of this hatred are being fanned by the Farages of this world and politicians of all flavours are not helping when they brand me as a racist and fascist, I don't even know what a fascist is, Mussolini was one but I am not Italian.

As for Mr Starmer, I think he would make a very good lawyer, oh and let me address Mr Sane, politicians are servants, servants of the people.

Gonnagle.

First of all they are people, they are not a different species. But once again you are blaming them for the people. You have created a fantasy world in your head where people participate in a democracy, choose their politicians, and then have absolutely no responsibility for that. The politicians just lead them along as if they are now empty vessels.

Your whole post just blames the politicians for the hate, but that hatred is there, easy to use, but it exists without the politicians. Farage is a grifter and is using it but he didn't create it.

[Gonnagle]

First of all they are people, they are not a different species. But once again you are blaming them for the people. You have created a fantasy world in your head where people participate in a democracy, choose their politicians, and then have absolutely no responsibility for that. The politicians just lead them along as if they are now empty vessels.

Your whole post just blames the politicians for the hate, but that hatred is there, easy to use, but it exists without the politicians. Farage is a grifter and is using it but he didn't create it.

Dear Sane,

My fantasy! or your fantasy, maybe this is what we should do, me and you, what is a politician? from your various posts I get the impression that you think it is just a job, I totally disagree, so my fantasy or your fantasy?

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Sane,

My fantasy! or your fantasy, maybe this is what we should do, me and you, what is a politician? from your various posts I get the impression that you think it is just a job, I totally disagree, so my fantasy or your fantasy?

Gonnagle.

Thinking that it is essentially just a job is not the equivalent of blaming the politicians we elect for all the bad stuff that we do, which has been the crux of your posts.

The idea that politicians are should just be servants surely removes anyone who might be able to bring people together? I don't want to make being a politician a job that no sane person would take but it seems to me your approach demands a bit of madness from them. To not care about their family, and having their own life but to be on perpetual call for the public, no matter how that public behaves. And in making it that much of a bad job, you encourage those who think about how they can take advantage of it.

[Aruntraveller]

Dear Gonners

Trite, trite, I would be offended if I didn't love you so much

When I first posted that, I thought, Is that too critical?

Perhaps glib is better? 

(and apropos of nothing, what a strange word "glib" is when you repeat it often enough!)

[Gonnagle]

Thinking that it is essentially just a job is not the equivalent of blaming the politicians we elect for all the bad stuff that we do, which has been the crux of your posts.

The idea that politicians are should just be servants surely removes anyone who might be able to bring people together? I din't want to make being a politician a job that no sane person would take but it seems to me your approach demands a bit of madness from them. To not care about their family, and having their own life but to be on perpetual call for the public, no matter what how that public behaves. And in making it that much of a bad job, yoh in the end encourage those who think about how they can take advantage of it.

Dear Sane,

Eh! and What! First  its my fantasy and then its my crux, I asked you your opinion as I got the impression but you have nailed me with fantasy and crux, no where in any of my posts have I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the politicians.

but it seems to me your approach demands a bit of madness from them.
🎵Madness, madness they call it madness🎵

I often kid my boss that she doesn't get paid enough, she is in charge of over 150 crazy Nurses ( and me, poor woman must have done something pretty bad in a previous life ) but I use the word crazy in the most beautiful way you can imagine, who would actually want to be a Nurse/Doctor/Police Officer/Politician, not jobs, vocations, not madness but something like madness a beautiful madness, they live to serve, that is if you take that vocation seriously.

But then maybe it is my fantasy, I think  being a politician is a position of power and with power comes great responsibility, listen and act on the will of the people, the people you serve, is that happening or am I just seeing point scoring.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Sane,

Eh! and What! First  its my fantasy and then its my crux, I asked you your opinion as I got the impression but you have nailed me with fantasy and crux, no where in any of my posts have I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the politicians.

but it seems to me your approach demands a bit of madness from them.
🎵Madness, madness they call it madness🎵

I often kid my boss that she doesn't get paid enough, she is in charge of over 150 crazy Nurses ( and me, poor woman must have done something pretty bad in a previous life ) but I use the word crazy in the most beautiful way you can imagine, who would actually want to be a Nurse/Doctor/Police Officer/Politician, not jobs, vocations, not madness but something like madness a beautiful madness, they live to serve, that is if you take that vocation seriously.

But then maybe it is my fantasy, I think  being a politician is a position of power and with power comes great responsibility, listen and act on the will of the people, the people you serve, is that happening or am I just seeing point scoring.

Gonnagle.

I would agree your boss deserves to get paid more. And you know one of the arguments used by those who don't want to do so? That it's more a vocation than a job, and that it's not about the money. Some people who do those roles you list treat them as a vocational , many don't. Are the ones who din't bad people? Are they  bad at their jobs?

As for policies, people din't see them as entitled to a family life, Prof D was arguing against even looking at any means of making it easier for parents. I want our democracy to be welcoming to peopke, letting them get involved, and tgat the job should have all the protections that unions have fought for generally. It should not be easier for the rich to do it.


As to listen and act on the will of the people,  which will? The one that wanted to burn asylum hotels with people in them? The one that as Aruntraveller wanted to sink the boats?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Trent,

Glib, cheers, shallow and insincere not to worry, according to old Sane I am in a fantasy world, words can't hurt me, sticks and stones

Gonnagle.

[Aruntraveller]

Dear Trent,

Glib, cheers, shallow and insincere not to worry, according to old Sane I am in a fantasy world, words can't hurt me, sticks and stones

Gonnagle.

Naive?

[Gonnagle]

I would agree your bids deserves to get laid more. And you know one of the arguments used by those who don't want to do so? Tfar it's more a vacation than a job, and that it's not about the money. Some people who do those roles you list treat them as a vocational , many don't. Are the ones who din't bad people? Are they  bad at their jobs?

As for policies, people din't see them as entitled to a family life, Prof D was arguing against even looking at any means of making it easier for parents. I want our democracy to be welcoming to peopke, letting them get involved, and tgat the job should have all the protections that unions have fought for generally. It should not be easier for the rich to do it.


As to listen and act on the will of the people,  which will? The one that wanted to burn asylum hotels with people in them? The one that as Aruntraveller wanted to sink the boats?

Dear Sane,

First off, put your auto correction thingy on

As to listen and act on the will of the people,  which will? The one that wanted to burn asylum hotels with people in them? The one that as Aruntraveller wanted to sink the boats?


Do I want to set fire to hotels, do I want to sink boats, am I in a minority, no to all three, what I do think is you and old Trent are just being led by the nose, you are part of the Abbott and Farage show.

Gonnagle.

Dear Trent,

Naive, guilty yer honour, I think everyone is as wonderful as me

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Sane,

First off, put your auto correction thingy on

As to listen and act on the will of the people,  which will? The one that wanted to burn asylum hotels with people in them? The one that as Aruntraveller wanted to sink the boats?


Do I want to set fire to hotels, do I want to sink boats, am I in a minority, no to all three, what I do think is you and old Trent are just being led by the nose, you are part of the Abbott and Farage show.

Gonnagle.

Dear Trent,

Naive, guilty yer honour, I think everyone is as wonderful as me

Gonnagle.

I didn't say or imply that you did want to do those things. So your question is both specious and a misrepresentation.

I asked which will of the people you want politicians to follow and gave a couple of examples.

In what way does you think I, and Aruntraveller,  are being led by the nose by Farage?

[Aruntraveller]

what I do think is you and old Trent are just being led by the nose, you are part of the Abbott and Farage show.

WTAF are you babbling about now? When did Ms Abbott enter the fray?