Andrew to lose 'Prince' title

[Spud]

After it was revealed and after he lied about the extent of his contact with Epstein. And after Eostein had been jailed for sex trafficking a minor.

As far as I can see, he explains this in the TV interview. What were the exact statements you say were lies, and when?

[Nearly Sane]

As far as I can see, he explains this in the TV interview. What were the exact statements you say were lies, and when?

He gives an excuse. He still meets a convicted child sex trafficker. He goes out of his way to do so. People feel this is unacceptable. Why do you think it is OK?

[Nearly Sane]

As to the lies about the extent of contact see March 2021 in the timeline here as well as the email.


https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/863373/detailed-timeline-prince-andrew-scandal/

[Aruntraveller]

That she accepted the payoff could indicate that she knew she couldn't win the case.

Are you really trying to tell me that if she couldn't win the case, Her Majesty's lawyers and advisors wouldn't be aware of that?

And knowing that they would have wasted 12 million? The notoriously, careful tight with their money, Royal family.

I have a bridge to sell you.

[Spud]

He gives an excuse. He still meets a convicted child sex trafficker. He goes out of his way to do so. People feel this is unacceptable. Why do you think it is OK?

If you're meaning he said he was going to end the friendship, and wanted to do it in person, what is wrong with that, if Andrew saw him as a friend?

The royal family has helped me a lot: Duke of Edinburgh awards; Princess Anne was patron of my college; ABRSM passed me in piano exams; Prince Edward's secretary, who went to the same church as me, invited some of us to watch a film at the palace cinema. So I feel people should give them a break.

As to the lies about the extent of contact see March 2021 in the timeline here as well as the email.


https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/863373/detailed-timeline-prince-andrew-scandal/

There's nothing about March 2021 there. Re: the email from Feb 2011, well that was after Giuffrey had just released the photo, iirc.

[Nearly Sane]

If you're meaning he said he was going to end the friendship, and wanted to do it in person, what is wrong with that, if Andrew saw him as a friend?

The royal family has helped me a lot: Duke of Edinburgh awards; Princess Anne was patron of my college; ABRSM passed me in piano exams; Prince Edward's secretary, who went to the same church as me, invited some of us to watch a film at the palace cinema. So I feel people should give them a break.
There's nothing about March 2021 there. Re: the email from Feb 2011, well that was after Giuffrey had just released the photo, iirc.

that should have said March 2011 - typo.


You are defending a man who strayed with a convicted traffickers of minors. If you think that's ok then you are condoning the trafficking of minors. Your bit about the Royal family and you is both laughable and irrelevant to the actions of Andrew and what actions have been taken

[Spud]

that should have said March 2011 - typo.


You are defending a man who strayed with a convicted traffickers of minors. If you think that's ok then you are condoning the trafficking of minors. Your bit about the Royal family and you is both laughable and irrelevant to the actions of Andrew and what actions have been taken

And you're spinning the evidence as much as you can to make him look guilty.

[Nearly Sane]

And you're spinning the evidence as much as you can to make him look guilty.

Except in I am not claiming he is guilty of an offence. I am pointing out why his behaviour is morally repugnant, and that this could lead to being sacked in an ordinary job, never mind the Royal Family. The Royal Family would seem to agree.

[Aruntraveller]

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[Spud]

Except in I am not claiming he is guilty of an offence. I am pointing out why his behaviour is morally repugnant, and that this could lead to being sacked in an ordinary job, never mind the Royal Family. The Royal Family would seem to agree.

He said that he stayed with Epstein because it was convenient and gave him the opportunity to meet with other people. He said he met him in person because he thought that was the proper way to end their association.

[Nearly Sane]

He said that he stayed with Epstein because it was convenient and gave him the opportunity to meet with other people. He said he met him in person because he thought that was the proper way to end their association.

Yes, I often worry about how to best end the relationships with child trafficking rapists and find the personal touch and staying with them is what you really want to go for. Or fuck off you fucking paedophile creep from as far a distance as possible.

[ad_orientem]

Yes, I often worry about how to best end the relationships with child trafficking rapists and find the personal touch and staying with them is what you really want to go for. Or fuck off you fucking paedophile creep from as far a distance as possible.

The "anti" nonce brigade are always the first ti protect actual nonces. Where's those Epstein files?

[Spud]

Yes, I often worry about how to best end the relationships with child trafficking rapists and find the personal touch and staying with them is what you really want to go for. Or fuck off you fucking paedophile creep from as far a distance as possible.

The problem as I see it is that, rather than being morally repugnant, it is unwise, as it leaves him open to the suspicion that he was involved in the illegal activities. However, if it was proven that the main accusation against him is fabricated, would that suspicion be significantly reduced?

[Spud]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ghislaine-maxwell-doj-meetings-rejected-accusers-claim-sexual/story?id=124903996#:~:text=Maxwell%20told%20Blanche%20that%20the,ridiculous%20excuses%22%20to%20claim%20otherwise.

Maxwell told Blanche that the primary purpose of the March 2001 trip was for Epstein and his decorator to visit a house in Marrakesh, Morocco, and for Maxwell to be in England for her mother's birthday weekend. According to the pilot's logs, the plane left Morocco and touched down in London on a Friday and departed for the U.S. two days later.

This party was Elizabeth Maxwell's 80th. In the July interview Ghislaine said that she could prove she was not at her house on 10th March 2001.

So we're now waiting for this to be verified, by Ghislaine's family. But it makes sense that the last thing she would be doing on that weekend was organising Prince Andrew to go clubbing with Giuffre.

[Spud]

Note, Elizabeth Maxwell's 80th birthday was on 11 March 2001, according to her DOB in Wikipedia.

[Nearly Sane]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ghislaine-maxwell-doj-meetings-rejected-accusers-claim-sexual/story?id=124903996#:~:text=Maxwell%20told%20Blanche%20that%20the,ridiculous%20excuses%22%20to%20claim%20otherwise.

This party was Elizabeth Maxwell's 80th. In the July interview Ghislaine said that she could prove she was not at her house on 10th March 2001.

So we're now waiting for this to be verified, by Ghislaine's family. But it makes sense that the last thing she would be doing on that weekend was organising Prince Andrew to go clubbing with Giuffre.

You seem to be under the misapprehensuon that this about a legal case that other than resulting in a pay off of 12m, something that itself is problematic for Andrew having a prominent role representing the country, is not being argued here. The actions in Andrew lying about the extent of his contact with Epstein, and the 12 million pay out, are what has lead to him being out of the role of representing Britain. Just as happened to Mandelson.

[Spud]

The actions in Andrew lying about the extent of his contact with Epstein, and the 12 million pay out, are what has lead to him being out of the role of representing Britain. Just as happened to Mandelson.

The 12 million I can understand would cause anger, but what he said about his contact with Epstein is not an issue for me because he didn't see him again after the 4 day stay. And because there is no evidence that Andrew himself was ever involved in the illegal activity. I am suggesting that the suspicion caused by Giuffre's allegations are making people blow the fact of his contact with Epstein after the latter's conviction, out of proportion.

[Nearly Sane]

The 12 million I can understand would cause anger, but what he said about his contact with Epstein is not an issue for me because he didn't see him again after the 4 day stay. And because there is no evidence that Andrew himself was ever involved in the illegal activity. I am suggesting that the suspicion caused by Giuffre's allegations are making people blow the fact of his contact with Epstein after the latter's conviction, out of proportion.

And again you are ignoring the lies as listed here in the timeline in March 2011, snd the email,. And of course you think it is perfectly acceptable to accept being put up by a convicted paedophile child traffickers.


https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/863373/detailed-timeline-prince-andrew-scandal/

[Spud]

And again you are ignoring the lies as listed here in the timeline in March 2011, snd the email,. And of course you think it is perfectly acceptable to accept being put up by a convicted paedophile child traffickers.


https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/863373/detailed-timeline-prince-andrew-scandal/

Maxwell in her interview said it was around 2000-2001 that Andrew met Epstein, and that rather than her introducing him, Andrew only got on with Epstein because Maxwell was around. She was already friends with Andrew and Sarah.
So Alastair Watson would need to provide evidence.

At any rate, Andrew could have become friends with Epstein when he said he did, and met him earlier in a non-friendship context, and his claim would not be an all-out lie. It could have been a mistake. The point I'm trying to make is that he didn't lie about Giuffre. If he did lie about when he met Epstein, that's not an offense that you would strip him of his titles for.
To put it in perspective, Charles had an affair with Camilla while she was still married but was allowed to become king.

[Nearly Sane]

Maxwell in her interview said it was around 2000-2001 that Andrew met Epstein, and that rather than her introducing him, Andrew only got on with Epstein because Maxwell was around. She was already friends with Andrew and Sarah.
So Alastair Watson would need to provide evidence.

At any rate, Andrew could have become friends with Epstein when he said he did, and met him earlier in a non-friendship context, and his claim would not be an all-out lie. It could have been a mistake. The point I'm trying to make is that he didn't lie about Giuffre. If he did lie about when he met Epstein, that's not an offense that you would strip him of his titles for.
To put it in perspective, Charles had an affair with Camilla while she was still married but was allowed to become king.

It's  an offense that the Royal Family stripped him of his titles for. You said you liked them but here you are condemning them.

[Spud]

It's  an offense that the Royal Family stripped him of his titles for. You said you liked them but here you are condemning them.

I don't understand why they are behaving this way. Nearly all those things I mentioned happened before Charles and Diana divorced. It seems Edward and Sophie are the only ones who have stayed out of trouble, and interestingly they refused titles for their children (iirc). William should have become king, imo and I'll always think of Charles as Prince Charles.

[Nearly Sane]

Hmmm...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cglgj08erywo

[Spud]

Hmmm...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cglgj08erywo

Hmm indeed. Looks to me like Andrew may have met VG, but from his email to Epstein looks like he genuinely had no involvement in the photo of himself with her at Maxwell's house.

[Spud]

I know you've done all this before, so I don't want to prolong this part of the discussion. To put it succinctly, I don't believe the claim that it is fabricated.

Thought I'd post this so you can see all the evidence that it was a fake:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10DFEc8hq8oUw-vtiBPn38I46W39tXJLt/view?usp=drivesdk