Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on April 18, 2018, 10:36:28 PM
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Meghan Markle.
Not a bad idea in many ways
https://www.channel4.com/news/chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-i-think-meghan-markle-should-be-leader-of-commonwealth
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Really? I read something earlier today about Prince Harry being a Commonwealth Youth Ambassador & fact he will be glad to work with Meghan but didn't know she had an official title (surely not Head of the Commonwealth though).
NS:Not a bad idea in many ways.
She is certainly committed to humanitarian causes.
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No the Queen wants Charles to be Head of the Commonwealth after her. I thought it was unlikely to be anyone else (& then thought you wuz prob'ly being facetious ;) & Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie was jumping the gun).
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Yep.....the numpty in chief will be the next head of the commonwealth 'cos mumsie wants it. So much for democracy, then.
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The Commonwealth: yet another example of anachronistic flummery - I say bin it.
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The Commonwealth: yet another example of anachronistic flummery - I say bin it.
I kinda said the same on another thread.
Overspill of the sewers of empire.
It was something for Geordie to be happy about when India told him where he could shove his title.
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You could probably opt out if you wanted to Anchor ...
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You could probably opt out if you wanted to Anchor ...
When we achieve the retuen of our sovriegnty, we'll have a referendum and, if I have my way, ditch the flummery.
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We will all congratulate from down here with no hard feelings at all.
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When we achieve the retuen of our sovriegnty, we'll have a referendum and, if I have my way, ditch the flummery.
It's a shame Anchor, there's stil too many that have that silly grin on their faces whenever the royals are mentioned, oh other than that Anchor, I 'm with you on this one.
It's a pity Enid's no longer with us, 'Big ears and the Comonwealth', would make a good title for her series, it'd be a bit like 'The Fameous Five' in flavour, "what's Charlie boy up to now chums, he's a very naughty boy you know".
Regards ippy
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It's a shame Anchor, there's stil too many that have that silly grin on their faces whenever the royals are mentioned, oh other than that Anchor, I 'm with you on this one.
I for one do not have a 'silly grin' on my face! The system works; there isn't a better one to take its place; so I'll challenge any killjoy who seeks to bring it down for impractical, colour-free, miserably wrong reasons.
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I for one do not have a 'silly grin' on my face! The system works; there isn't a better one to take its place; so I'll challenge any killjoy who seeks to bring it down for impractical, colour-free, miserably wrong reasons.
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In what way does the Commonwealth 'work'?
If we binned it by 5 pm this evening I'm struggling to work out how we'd even notice any difference.
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I for one do not have a 'silly grin' on my face! The system works; there isn't a better one to take its place; so I'll challenge any killjoy who seeks to bring it down for impractical, colour-free, miserably wrong reasons.]
Neither do I have a silly grin on my face (far too early for that, just waking up. Besides which I'm saving a couple of smiles for the new Cambridge baby & Harry's wedding next month ;) ).
Seriously, the Commonwealth is quite a complex organisation with different types of membership - Commonwealth 'realms' & others. I expect you know more about it than me, I was reading about it before going to sleep last night. I certainly like the idea of shared values & friendship with other countries - not entirely sure all values are really shared but the ideal is surely a good one. The Commonwealth Games are marvellously uniting. A lot of people seem to value the Commonwealth, I can see it being around for a long time.
However I understand why the people of Scotland disregard the organisation. When Scotland is finally free of us they can completely disregard it..
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Mmm despite the tone overall of people in Scotland on here, I think it would be incorrect to say the people of Scotland as a bloc disregard the Commonwealth, or that we would be 'free' of 'you' if we leave. When the Games were held in Glasgow it was a joyous occasion. Were the people of Scotland vote for independence, then I suspect that it would be sometime before the monarchy was removed if it was, though I think there is a much higher chance with Charles than others. I doubt there would be much of a campaign to leave the Commonwealth at all.
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I think Charles would be an excellent head of the Commonwealth. :)
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I think Charles would be an excellent head of the Commonwealth. :)
I think I would be an excellent head of the Commonwealth. :D
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I think Charles would be an excellent head of the Commonwealth. :)
Evidence? Arguments? You always demand them from others, but never provide your own.
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I think I would be an excellent head of the Commonwealth. :D
I agree with you - I vote for you.
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I agree with you - I vote for you.
You don’t get a vote.
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So there's a set of games every four yerars. And? It seems to me those are the only values the Commonwealth shares. Not all are democracies. Not all are monarchies (some have a different monarch) Not all share the same language Not all share the same basis of a legal or educational system. Not all have the same attitude to human rights. Not all have the same attitude ti the environment. Sorry, not seeing very many common values here. Admittedly, most were former exploited, colonies, brutalised by empire....does that count?
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Evidence? Arguments? You always demand them from others, but never provide your own.
Everything he has done as Prince of Wales has been laudable imo, with the exception of marrying that ghastly creature Diana!
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Everything he has done as Prince of Wales has been laudable imo, with the exception of marrying that ghastly creature Diana!
What has he 'done' that you think is laudable?
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What has he 'done' that you think is laudable?
It doesn't matter! He - LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING - has made mistakes. Unfortunately for his situation, it is virtually all in the public eye. He is, I imagine well aware of the impartiality he will need to have in the position as Head of the Commonwealth. Anyone who doesn't think he has the right background and experience etc to take over the role when the Queen dies, then let him/her name a better choice.
And be realistic about it - not waving a republican/let's have anyone but Royalty, Conservatives/ etc banner about!!
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Everything he has done as Prince of Wales has been laudable imo, with the exception of marrying that ghastly creature Diana!
What has Chuck done in Wales to be Prince o it?
For that matter, what's he done in Carrick to be earl of it?
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It doesn't matter! He - LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING - has made mistakes. Unfortunately for his situation, it is virtually all in the public eye. He is, I imagine well aware of the impartiality he will need to have in the position as Head of the Commonwealth. Anyone who doesn't think he has the right background and experience etc to take over the role when the Queen dies, then let him/her name a better choice.
And be realistic about it - not waving a republican/let's have anyone but Royalty, Conservatives/ etc banner about!!
What an odd post! When asked what he's done, instead of saying anything he has done you seek to poison the well be questioning the motives of those who ask the question. I hadn't mentioned anything about mistakes so not sure what relevance that has. The problem to me is that if the Commonwealth is a democratic institution then passing the head of it on by right is antidemocratic. Surely you would wan there to be a case made for Charles, rationally, rather than just it being passed on as if we were still in the days of colonies?
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It doesn't matter! He - LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING - has made mistakes. Unfortunately for his situation, it is virtually all in the public eye.
Easily solved though: remove his sinecure and make him a private citizen.
He is, I imagine well aware of the impartiality he will need to have in the position as Head of the Commonwealth.
Easily solved: remove his monarchic status, along with the rest of the monarchy, and dispense with the Commonwealth.
Anyone who doesn't think he has the right background and experience etc to take over the role when the Queen dies, then let him/her name a better choice.
Easily solved: as noted above, bin the Commonwealth and the role goes with it.
And be realistic about it - not waving a republican/let's have anyone but Royalty, Conservatives/ etc banner about!!
Realistically: just dispense with all of it since I doubt anyone other than ardent fans would notice much difference as we go about our daily lives (and there would also be less mindless sycophancy) - after all, we also survived the breakup of the Beatles, but their records/films are still there for the incurably nostalgic.
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Dear Forum,
Well I like the idea of the Commonwealth even if it is based on us sticking a flag in the ground and declaring ownership because we have bigger sticks but nowadays it does seem to be a force for good like the Commonwealth games, and with the Tory mess over Brexit I think we need as many partnerships as possible.
As for Charlie boy, yes he gets my vote, the man is very well connected, he has the power to make things happen, he just has to step on American soil and they all start drolling, he is great for the Commonwealth and a great figurehead for business.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Forum,
Well I like the idea of the Commonwealth even if it is based on us sticking a flag in the ground and declaring ownership because we have bigger sticks but nowadays it does seem to be a force for good like the Commonwealth games, and with the Tory mess over Brexit I think we need as many partnerships as possible.
As for Charlie boy, yes he gets my vote, the man is very well connected, he has the power to make things happen, he just has to step on American soil and they all start drolling, he is great for the Commonwealth and a great figurehead for business.
Gonnagle.
What has he made happen?
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Dear Sane,
http://www.princeofwalescharitablefoundation.org.uk/news
But the mans face sells, he is a fantastic ambassador for this country.
Gonnagle.
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Mmm despite the tone overall of people in Scotland on here, I think it would be incorrect to say the people of Scotland as a bloc disregard the Commonwealth, or that we would be 'free' of 'you' if we leave. When the Games were held in Glasgow it was a joyous occasion. Were the people of Scotland vote for independence, then I suspect that it would be sometime before the monarchy was removed if it was, though I think there is a much higher chance with Charles than others. I doubt there would be much of a campaign to leave the Commonwealth at all.
L R, surly merit should figure, and Charlie as a person is hardly a good meritorious example.
Oh yes Rob and Susan, royalty's a rather expensive form of soap and in common with most soap, it's a rather irrational and bereft of any merit form of, supposed, entertainment.
Regards ippy
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I agree with you - I vote for you.
I'll bet your credentials and entitlement to have the job are as good as his or even better.
Regards ippy
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I'll bet your credentials and entitlement to have the job are as good as his or even better.
Regards ippy
Nope, trentvoyager all the way for me.
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L R, surly merit should figure, and Charlie as a person is hardly a good meritorious example.
Oh yes Rob and Susan, royalty's a rather expensive form of soap and in common with most soap, it's a rather irrational and bereft of any merit form of, supposed, entertainment.
Regards ippy
Did you reply to the wrong post here? I am not LR or singing Charles's praises.
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Dear Sane,
http://www.princeofwalescharitablefoundation.org.uk/news
But the mans face sells, he is a fantastic ambassador for this country.
Gonnagle.
Mmm...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/uk-refused-to-raid-lycamobile-citing-its-tory-donations?utm_term=.hm12JxlNj#.pmEZR1oAr
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2018/apr/19/prince-charles-brown-skin-british-people-head-of-commonwealth
He has a name because of a hereditary office. what's HE done?
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Dear Forum,
Well I like the idea of the Commonwealth even if it is based on us sticking a flag in the ground and declaring ownership because we have bigger sticks but nowadays it does seem to be a force for good like the Commonwealth games, and with the Tory mess over Brexit I think we need as many partnerships as possible.
As for Charlie boy, yes he gets my vote, the man is very well connected, he has the power to make things happen, he just has to step on American soil and they all start drolling, he is great for the Commonwealth and a great figurehead for business.
Gonnagle.
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What has he made happen?
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So, apart from sports that cost a bomb and leave no legacy, what good has the commonwealth done? Create democracy? Equality? Promote human roghts?
And why should an association, one of which's avowed aims IS to promote democracy, have a chap whose position is gained through mumsie and daddy having sex in the right bwd?
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What has he made happen?
So, apart from sports that cost a bomb and leave no legacy, what good has the commonwealth done? Create democracy? Equality? Promote human roghts?
And why should an association, one of which's avowed aims IS to promote democracy, have a chap whose position is gained through mumsie and daddy having sex in the right bwd?
I think that as long as the decision is made democratically and the nations of the Commonwealth want to elect him, that's fine. I though the Queen for once stepped a bit out of line with the ask that he be chosen after her, but shit, he's her son.
I'm in agreement with some on here that having a different grouping of linked nations can be of benefit, The Games in Glasgow weren't that expensive and I would argue have left some legacy. We could continue links with places like Malawi out of the commonwealth but they seem to me to work better with that framework.
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Dear Sane,
So he is a rich boy, yes he needs to take a closer look at where his money is going but I think this is a political issue, elect Corbyn and make the Tories history, capitalism is a busted flush, when we have someone with a modicum of commonsense in government, someone who will work to make the finances of the 1% more open then the likes of Charlie boy will need to take a closer look at where his money is going.
As for your second link, sorry is the woman saying Prince Charles is a racist, to me it was a rant against the Tory party who don't give a monkeys about the British people.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
So he is a rich boy, yes he needs to take a closer look at where his money is going but I think this is a political issue, elect Corbyn and make the Tories history, capitalism is a busted flush, when we have someone with a modicum of commonsense in government, someone who will work to make the finances of the 1% more open then the likes of Charlie boy will need to take a closer look at where his money is going.
As for your second link, sorry is the woman saying Prince Charles is a racist, to me it was a rant against the Tory party who don't give a monkeys about the British people.
Gonnagle.
So in the week when the racist Tory party have screwed up on immigration, you don't think that anyone with a modicum of sense and empathy might refrain from a comment to someone of ethnic origin that they don't look that they come from Manchester? That it might not be seen as symptomatic of an institutionalised racism of which the Royal Family and the Tory Party are linked together in - as see the use of HMRC in the first link to protect both?
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Dear Sane,
Ah yes! But was this what Charlie boy was alluding too, is it a case, like father like son, sorry but I don't think Prince Charles is racist.
Do I think the Tory party are racist, not really, stupid maybe, out of touch with reality, they are anti British, does that make them racist.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
Ah yes! But was this what Charlie boy was alluding too, is it a case, like father like son, sorry but I don't think Prince Charles is racist.
Do I think the Tory party are racist, not really, stupid maybe, out of touch with reality, they are anti British, does that make them racist.
Gonnagle.
Again if he had a modicum of sense or empathy he would have an idea that is what it could be seen as alluding to and that it might be deeply unpleasant to the person he made the remark to. And what other meaning is going to be any better?
Theresa May was warned of the effects of the legislation is regard to Windrush in the debate 5 YEARS ago as Home Secretary. She brushed it off because she didn't care. That makes the PM racist to me. (Note you can read the debate on the Windrush thread). 18 MPs voted against it - amongst them Corbyn, Abbot and McDonnell - most of the Labour Party where too intent on following the dog whistle of immigration bad.
Same thing happened three werks ago when she ignored the question on Albert Thompson. In the middle of this another privileged area of the constitution, Royalty, see fits to make jokes that sound like Jim Davidson.
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I certainly wouldn't call Charles racist. I am glad he will succeed him Mum as Head of the Commonwealth, assuming he outlives her.
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I certainly wouldn't call Charles racist. I am glad he will succeed him Mum as Head of the Commonwealth, assuming he outlives her.
Why?
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Dear Sane,
Is this Windrush thing racist or just plain stupidity but then racism is just plain stupidity, and I have been following the Windrush thread, another example of Tory stupidity, the whole party is unfit for government, it now time for Corbyn and men like Corbyn.
Gonnagle.
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Anyway confirmed now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43840710
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I certainly wouldn't call Charles racist.
Why not - given what's been posted?
I am glad he will succeed him Mum as Head of the Commonwealth, assuming he outlives her.
Charles is (even if not a racist) foolish enough to back homeopathy and other snake oil nonsense. I don't see how he'd make a good choice for any public office - the fact he's set to become our head of state is a disgraceful, anachronistic absurdity.
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Dear Sane,
Is this Windrush thing racist or just plain stupidity but then racism is just plain stupidity, and I have been following the Windrush thread, another example of Tory stupidity, the whole party is unfit for government, it now time for Corbyn and men like Corbyn.
Gonnagle.
It's not just incompetence, it's not just stupidity and it's not just lying. It is deliberate chosen policy which they were warned of at the time. AND at the time the vast majority of the Labour Party and Lib Dems did NOT vote against it. - But that's probably best dealt with on the actual thread. This is about an institutionalised view of race and one that is inherent in the privilege system that Royalty works on given its fetish of blood as a determining factor
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L R, surly merit should figure, and Charlie as a person is hardly a good meritorious example.
Oh yes Rob and Susan, royalty's a rather expensive form of soap and in common with most soap, it's a rather irrational and bereft of any merit form of, supposed, entertainment.
Regards ippy
Yah, boo, killjoy!! :D :D
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Dear Sane,
I agree with your post apart from the bit about Charlie being racist, maybe he was making fun of Manchester, I sometimes do the same thing about Edinburgh.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Stranger,
Aye! He also talks to plants and trees >:( >:(
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
I agree with your post apart from the bit about Charlie being racist, maybe he was making fun of Manchester, I sometimes do the same thing about Edinburgh.
Gonnagle.
Maybe he was but then he's showing that he has no awareness of the political situation or how someone of ethnic origin might see the joke when there is a huge political storm about our attitude and the way we have tested immgrants. Which makes him stupid, unempathic and undiplomatic - What fabulous qualifications.
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Dear Sane,
Or maybe he was just being human, they are human you know, the Royals! Just like us, capable of being stupid, undiplomatic, must be a bugger being constantly in the public eye, glad it's not me or Celtic supporters and eastcoasters would have a hit squad out on me ;)
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
Or maybe he was just being human, they are human you know, the Royals! Just like us, capable of being stupid, undiplomatic, must be a bugger being constantly in the public eye, glad it's not me or Celtic supporters and eastcoasters would have a hit squad out on me ;)
Gonnagle.
Yes, but I wouldn't then be putting either of us for a top diplomatic job where we needed to show empathy and understanding of different difficult political situations for life. Trentvoyager has my vote for that.
Anyway let's see if he has enough grace to apologise profusely.
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Yah, boo, killjoy!! :D :D
Watch out you, I'll hack your text reader and ransom it if you're not careful.
Regards ippy
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I think that as long as the decision is made democratically and the nations of the Commonwealth want to elect him, that's fine. I though the Queen for once stepped a bit out of line with the ask that he be chosen after her, but shit, he's her son.
I'm in agreement with some on here that having a different grouping of linked nations can be of benefit, The Games in Glasgow weren't that expensive and I would argue have left some legacy. We could continue links with places like Malawi out of the commonwealth but they seem to me to work better with that framework.
Malawi's a case in point. My Kirk Presbytery has very close links with Malawi....and inthe eleven years our partnership has existed, niether the commonwealth, Liz or Chuck have ever been mentioned.
We don't need a club which has done nothing to aleviate the human condition....unless it is to salve the emotions o some post colonial yearning.
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Malawi's a case in point. My Kirk Presbytery has very close links with Malawi....and inthe eleven years our partnership has existed, niether the commonwealth, Liz or Chuck have ever been mentioned.
We don't need a club which has done nothing to aleviate the human condition....unless it is to salve the emotions o some post colonial yearning.
Except that's happened within the time of the Commonwealth being there. So I don't really see the argument. That L and C haven't been mentioned doesn't mean that the motivation or carrying out of the support are not aided by the Commonwealth. It isn't just about the head.