Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on November 29, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
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Obviously one's mind goes back to last incident at London Bridge.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50604781
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Obviously one's mind goes back to last incident at London Bridge.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50604781
TERRIBLE!!!! >:( Being in possession of a knife when out and about should carry a mandatory prison sentence, imo.
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Fox News have tweeted about the incident including a picture of Tower Bridge
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Fox News have tweeted about the incident including a picture of Tower Bridge
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Fox News have tweeted about the incident including a picture of Tower Bridge
Oh, what a surprise....or not.
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Heard about that on radio on way home. Frightening.
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TERRIBLE!!!! >:( Being in possession of a knife when out and about should carry a mandatory prison sentence, imo.
No. Please. Stop.
I had a friend, who died a while back who owned a boat. He once got stopped by the police as a result of a vexatious complaint from some snotty person and he got arrested because he had his boat knife with him. If there had been a mandatory prison sentence for carrying a knife, he would have gone to jail for no good reason.
Please think before you come up with these absolutist proclamations.
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Fox News have tweeted about the incident including a picture of Tower Bridge
Oh really? I've got a bridge I can sell you...
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Sadly, the perpetrator had to be shot dead.
When I first heard about the incident it sounded like a group of people beating the crap out of an innocent man, but clearly, he was the guilty party and they were trying to restrain him. The BBC are currently saying he had a hoax bomb vest, which makes those others pretty courageous IMO.
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Oh really? I've got a bridge I can sell you...
Sadly it would appear that the story was apocryphal and it was known what they were buying.
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Sadly it would appear that the story was apocryphal and it was known what they were buying.
I know. But the saying still exists and Fox News seems to have been confused.
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TERRIBLE!!!! >:( Being in possession of a knife when out and about should carry a mandatory prison sentence, imo.
Well, that's me in trouble, then.
I often carry a Swiss Army knife around if I'm walking in a strange area.
Not for defence: the file helps to smooth the tip of my long cane if it snags some sharp obstacle, and there are a few tools in the thing which can clear muck out of the tip if it clogs up, enablung it to rotate freely.
See what I mean about sweeping generalisation?
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I find that very strange indeed, I doubt other people with vision problems carry a knife, I somehow doubt it? We must ask Susan Doris. I suspect the police might not be very forgiving if it was discovered on your person.
How else do you think I'm supposed to care for my cane if I'm walking on pabement sutrfaces which vary from cobbles, through tarmac, to muck?
My mobility training officer suggested I use the kinife - which I use around the house anyway, since I'm familiar with it, thirty - odd years ago when roller tips replaced the old pear-shaped ones.
The latter, incidentally, were murder when changing them in the winter - the muck tended to weld itself to the inner screw.
What would you suggest? A file, mini slim screwdriver, pencil (for securing the elastic on the cane), nail , ec, accompany me everywhere I walk?
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How else do you think I'm supposed to care for my cane if I'm walking on pabement sutrfaces which vary from cobbles, through tarmac, to muck?
My mobility training officer suggested I use the kinife - which I use around the house anyway, since I'm familiar with it, thirty - odd years ago when roller tips replaced the old pear-shaped ones.
The latter, incidentally, were murder when changing them in the winter - the muck tended to weld itself to the inner screw.
What would you suggest? A file, mini slim screwdriver, pencil (for securing the elastic on the cane), nail , ec, accompany me everywhere I walk?
I apologise for my post. :-[ My idea of a swiss army knife was something different, from the penknife it actually is!
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It's the use of an antique narwhal tusk to overpower the terrorist that sets this incident apart, I think. Although apparently wielded by a Polish chef there's something terribly British about this.
From The Tandoori Gazette, 30th November 1846: Captain Caruthers of the 5th Bangalore Rifles was walking his fiancee, Lady Amelia Pith-Helmet, home last night when they were set upon by dacoits. Captain Caruthers managed to disembowel three of them with a handy narwhal tusk before the others fled into the night. Hes my hero, said Lady Amelia this morning, but Captain Caruthers, who sustained only minor injuries to his moustache, dismissed the incident. Its just what a chap does, you know.
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Then there is that one of the other people who helped restrain the murdering thug was a murderer out on day release.
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Then there is that one of the other people who helped restrain the murdering thug was a murderer out on day release.
I got the impression from the lunchtime news that a number of people who were on day release helped to restrain the murderer.
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Then there is that one of the other people who helped restrain the murdering thug was a murderer out on day release.
I've been trying to find out more about those who restrained him, but canot find much. However, since the murderer was at this conference, I wonder how it is that he, and all others, was not scanned or body-checked for any weapons on entry. The fake bomb vest would have been discovered too.
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I've been trying to find out more about those who restrained him, but canot find much. However, since the murderer was at this conference, I wonder how it is that he, and all others, was not scanned or body-checked for any weapons on entry. The fake bomb vest would have been discovered too.
I suspect that such a check might have been perceived by the organisers as a demonstration of lack of trust in their objectives, methods and subjects.
Apparently, Usman Khan's attacks actually started inside Fishmongers Hall, at the meeting. There were attempts in the Hall to stop him but he managed to escape. It is not surprising, then, that convicted murderers were among the people trying to apprehend him. Let us consider that these people have benefited from the work and intentions of people like Jack Merritt.
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I suspect that such a check might have been perceived by the organisers as a demonstration of lack of trust in their objectives, methods and subjects.
Apparently, Usman Khan's attacks actually started inside Fishmongers Hall, at the meeting. There were attempts in the Hall to stop him but he managed to escape. It is not surprising, then, that convicted murderers were among the people trying to apprehend him. Let us consider that these people have benefited from the work and intentions of people like Jack Merritt.
I don't think that you can simply take the pursuit of the murderous thug as evidence of it being related to the work being done.
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I apologise for my post. :-[ My idea of a swiss army knife was something different, from the penknife it actually is!
What types of Swiss army knives are there? I've only ever seen one basic type, the tools vary a bit. Very useful they are too, people always had them at one time.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5CHFA_enGB717GB727&q=pictures+of+swiss+army+knives&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB_r_bopTmAhXUoFwKHeuNC-UQ7Al6BAgEECQ&biw=1150&bih=577
Basic laws on knives
It is illegal to: ... Carry a knife in public without good reason unless it's a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife. Carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife. Use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife).
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I still maintain that unless you have a good justifiable reason for carrying any knife of any sort like Anchorman, you should not do so.
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Wouldn't worry LR, most people don't unless they're essential tools (the knives not the people).
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I still maintain that unless you have a good justifiable reason for carrying any knife of any sort like Anchorman, you should not do so.
I've not heard of many sight impaired muggers carrying Swiss army knives, (with 7.62 cm long blades or less), and brandishing them in a threatening way, recently.
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I've not heard of many sight impaired muggers carrying Swiss army knives, (with 7.62 cm long blades or less), and brandishing them in a threatening way, recently.
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Anchorman has a good reason for carrying a penknife as I have stated. I didn't realise a Swiss army knife was a penknife, not having come across one before.
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What types of Swiss army knives are there? I've only ever seen one basic type, the tools vary a bit. Very useful they are too, people always had them at one time.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5CHFA_enGB717GB727&q=pictures+of+swiss+army+knives&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB_r_bopTmAhXUoFwKHeuNC-UQ7Al6BAgEECQ&biw=1150&bih=577
Basic laws on knives
It is illegal to: ... Carry a knife in public without good reason – unless it's a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife. Carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife. Use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife).
There are umpteen ttypes available - fakes as well as genuine articles.
Victorinox, IMO, make the best. The most modern ones have built in USB sticks, etc, and the basics have the two blades plus afile. I use the SwissChamp, which has fifty functions, from two different types of screwdriver, two saws, file magnifiere, bottle opener, tin opener, pliers, scissors, two blades, pen, tweezers, etc. I've had it since I wasv a young Boys' Brigade officer, and many a scrape it's got me out of.
Incidentally, Victorinox offer a lifetime guarantee and free servicing on every model.
A fantastic gadget to have around (and, no; I'm not on commission!)
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I have no recollection of my husband ever carrying a penknife or owning one.
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Wow Anchor! My husband has one somewhere, was given it as a boy. Don't know what type.
A would be murderer (stabber) wouldn't use a Swiss army knife, it has so many 'bits' and by the time you got the blade out, your prey would have fled. I expect that's why people are generally permitted to carry one.
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I had one like Anchorman's for years till I misplaced it. Very useful in all sorts of situations but I never did find a horse that needed a stone taken out of its shoe.
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I have lots of knives for gardening, including Swiss, it has a screwdriver, useful . I think 3 inch blades are legal in public, we have a ferocious 6 inch thing, leave it at home.
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I have lots of knives for gardening, including Swiss, it has a screwdriver, useful . I think 3 inch blades are legal in public, we have a ferocious 6 inch thing, leave it at home.
My husband has a large tool box with everything he requires for all the jobs he does around the house, including Stanley knives. When our children and grandchildren were small the box was kept well out of their way so they wouldn't injure themselves.
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Moving away from the wonders of a Swiss Army knife, this is a good blog around the legalities concerning Khans release.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/30/10-thing-you-should-know-about-the-london-bridge-attacker-and-early-release/?fbclid=IwAR1bYyR89oioSTyKdib1MycRkmf8ZBmpz3u6blw_wvvT06S4FGYRzuw3N7U
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Wow Anchor! My husband has one somewhere, was given it as a boy. Don't know what type.
A would be murderer (stabber) wouldn't use a Swiss army knife, it has so many 'bits' and by the time you got the blade out, your prey would have fled. I expect that's why people are generally permitted to carry one.
They might do Robbie!
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Moving away from the wonders of a Swiss Army knife, this is a good blog around the legalities concerning Khans release.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/30/10-thing-you-should-know-about-the-london-bridge-attacker-and-early-release/?fbclid=IwAR1bYyR89oioSTyKdib1MycRkmf8ZBmpz3u6blw_wvvT06S4FGYRzuw3N7U
And the follow up to it. The lying racist sexist despiser of the poor then indulges in plagiarism.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1201076439250087936.html
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TERRIBLE!!!! >:( Being in possession of a knife when out and about should carry a mandatory prison sentence, imo.
That's me banged up, then: i always carry a Victorinox pocket knife with me. It comes in handy for all sorts of things. I think the present law is about right: it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3", any non-folding knife, any folding knife with a lockable blade, and folding knives with blades that spring out ("flick knives"). Obviously, if you buy a kitchen knife in a shop, you've got to get it home, but you're presumably ok if you leave it in the packaging until you get home. However, I think that the police should be allowed to use their discretion about whether to arrest someone technically in breach of the law, or just give them an informal warning, and majistrsates to use theirs regarding appropriate sentence if the person is arrested and charged. If I bought a new kitchen knife in Wilco, and took it out of its packaging to have a look at it in a local cafe before I got home, I'd be a bit miffed if I ended up doing time.
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That's me banged up, then: i always carry a Victorinox pocket knife with me. It comes in handy for all sorts of things. I think the present law is about right: it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3", any non-folding knife, any folding knife with a lockable blade, and folding knives with blades that spring out ("flick knives"). Obviously, if you buy a kitchen knife in a shop, you've got to get it home, but you're presumably ok if you leave it in the packaging until you get home. However, I think that the police should be allowed to use their discretion about whether to arrest someone technically in breach of the law, or just give them an informal warning, and majistrsates to use theirs regarding appropriate sentence if the person is arrested and charged. If I bought a new kitchen knife in Wilco, and took it out of its packaging to have a look at it in a local cafe before I got home, I'd be a bit miffed if I ended up doing time.
Surely taking it out of its packaging in public was rather unwise, even if you didn't have malicious intent.
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Surely taking it out of its packaging in public was rather unwise, even if you didn't have malicious intent.
Possibly, but hardly an offence justifying arrest.
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Possibly, but hardly an offence justifying arrest.
You had just purchased it and therefore you had a justifiable reason for being in possession of it, even if it was a bit silly to display it in a cafe. I am talking about people who carry dangerous knives for no good reason.
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I think the present law is adequate.
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You had just purchased it and therefore you had a justifiable reason for being in possession of it, even if it was a bit silly to display it in a cafe. I am talking about people who carry dangerous knives for no good reason.
So if I go and buy a very sharp knife with the intention of stabbing as many people as possible but stop off in a cafe to have a last Earl Grey and a brownie, and I open the packaging ready to stab, admire it, pop it back my I love Osama backpack, you can tell the difference between Steve and me because ....
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To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.
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To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.
or even indevidually
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To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.
I like Earl Grey and brownies, what is wrong with them?
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I like Earl Grey and brownies, what is wrong with them?
on their own despite Walter's odd proclivities, they are fine. But together it's like garibaldi biscuits and coleslaw
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Ah but have you ever tried ginger biscuits dunked in Orange juice? Delicious.
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Ah but have you ever tried ginger biscuits dunked in Orange juice? Delicious.
YUCK!!!!!!
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That's me banged up, then: i always carry a Victorinox pocket knife with me. It comes in handy for all sorts of things. I think the present law is about right: it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3", any non-folding knife, any folding knife with a lockable blade, and folding knives with blades that spring out ("flick knives"). Obviously, if you buy a kitchen knife in a shop, you've got to get it home, but you're presumably ok if you leave it in the packaging until you get home. However, I think that the police should be allowed to use their discretion about whether to arrest someone technically in breach of the law, or just give them an informal warning, and majistrsates to use theirs regarding appropriate sentence if the person is arrested and charged. If I bought a new kitchen knife in Wilco, and took it out of its packaging to have a look at it in a local cafe before I got home, I'd be a bit miffed if I ended up doing time.
I carry one always 👍
We should start a MeToo campaign
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To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.
sounds a bit like paedophilia to me 😱
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Ah but have you ever tried ginger biscuits dunked in Orange juice? Delicious.
😫I'm not keen on hot orange juice though 😋
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I like Earl Grey and brownies, what is wrong with them?
Only anarchists drink Earl Grey, because they believe that proper tea is theft.
EG is mucked-about-with tea. I prefer un-mucked-about-with tea, iseally loose Yorkshire tea, in a teapot, two generous rounded teaspoons per pint (i.e. one per mug), brewed for 5 minutes, and served with the merest whisper of milk and a level teaspoon of sugar.
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More on the lying liar PM lying about his lies while plagiarising
. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-accused-weapons-grade-21001907.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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More on the lying liar PM lying about his lies while plagiarising
. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-accused-weapons-grade-21001907.amp?__twitter_impression=true
saney
You seam to hav a problem with Boris Johnson, why is that ?
He reminds me of myself, only I have a comb !
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Only anarchists drink Earl Grey, because they believe that proper tea is theft.
EG is mucked-about-with tea. I prefer un-mucked-about-with tea, iseally loose Yorkshire tea, in a teapot, two generous rounded teaspoons per pint (i.e. one per mug), brewed for 5 minutes, and served with the merest whisper of milk and a level teaspoon of sugar.
You'll be telling us next that to ensure you're getting the real thing you actually go to the plantations in Yorkshire to collect it.
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;D ;D ;D
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Seen lots of stuff about the attack being a 'false flag'. I suppose the tragic irony of 2 young supports of rehabilitation being murdered adds to the hyperreality of the incident which as so often nowadays makes people assume that it is not real.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50625900
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The Learning Together programme sounds like an excellent initiative. I have to hope that it isn't stopped or significantly reduced because of this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50623646
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This is incredibly powerful and moving
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/jack-merritt-london-bridge-attack-dave-merritt?__twitter_impression=true
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This is incredibly powerful and moving
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/jack-merritt-london-bridge-attack-dave-merritt?__twitter_impression=true
and totally fucking ridiculous
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and totally fucking ridiculous
Except the stats on focussing on rehabilitation are on his side. But don't let facts get in the way of your prejudice.
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Except the stats on focussing on rehabilitation are on his side. But don't let facts get in the way of your prejudice.
has it been noted ?
You've already got my name
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and totally fucking ridiculous
In what way? He's both morally and objectively (the evidence supports his view) correct.
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has it been noted ?
You've already got my name
Facts scare you it would appear.
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This is incredibly powerful and moving
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/jack-merritt-london-bridge-attack-dave-merritt?__twitter_impression=true
It certainly is.
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Facts scare you it would appear.
hey! Just think ,
If you got rid of Walter, the message board echo chamber would be flawless 👏👏👏
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hey! Just think ,
If you got rid of Walter, the message board echo chamber would be flawless 👏👏👏
Yawn.
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hey! Just think ,
If you got rid of Walter, the message board echo chamber would be flawless 👏👏👏
It would help, if instead of turning it into a joke, or making a one line cheap point, you actually gave your reasons for why you disagree with the views you clearly do disagree with. You never know you might find posters who agree with you - or you may even change people's mind.
Or you can carry on being the unthinking persons Bernard Manning.
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It would help, if instead of turning it into a joke, or making a one line cheap point, you actually gave your reasons for why you disagree with the views you clearly do disagree with. You never know you might find posters who agree with you - or you may even change people's mind.
Or you can carry on being the unthinking persons Bernard Manning.
thank you for your kind invitation Trent ,
Perhaps another time
Have a good evening
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hey! Just think ,
If you got rid of Walter, the message board echo chamber would be flawless 👏👏👏
I don't think you're right Walter, if you read a lot of the threads you'll find people disagreeing all the time on many issues, sometimes quite heatedly.
Trent:- It would help, if instead of turning it into a joke, or making a one line cheap point, you actually gave your reasons for why you disagree with the views you clearly do disagree with. You never know you might find posters who agree with you - or you may even change people's mind.
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Stranger things have happened! However I believe you enjoy being controversial and humourous so don't take everything you say too seriously.
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Seen lots of stuff about the attack being a 'false flag'.
What utter bullshit: the attacker is known, and was a convicted terrorist. These conspiracy-theory idiots have no decency or sensitivity, the way they exploit tragedies like this.
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What utter bullshit: the attacker is known, and was a convicted terrorist. These conspiracy-theory idiots have no decency or sensitivity, the way they exploit tragedies like this.
In conspiracy world though that isn't how things work. Nothing is seen as true. They will argue that the attacker wasn't the terrorist, or that he was but wasn't killed and was acting as a double agent, or that no one was killed and the victims are currently in safe houses, or that it was all mind control via the Lizard King. There are certainly those on the fringes who do exploit this for whatever sordid reasons but the vast majority of the 'non believers' of what they see as the false narrative see those of us following it like 'sheeples' to be dangerous in allowing the manipulation.
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I still maintain that unless you have a good justifiable reason for carrying any knife of any sort like Anchorman, you should not do so.
Apart from pen knives, that's already the law.
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Apart from pen knives, that's already the law.
Don't confuse her with facts!
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What utter bullshit: the attacker is known, and was a convicted terrorist.
You mean the patsy.
Why was he killed when he had already been restrained? Why did the two "victims" - both Cambridge (known for being a breeding ground for spies) graduates - die out of sight. Clearly, the whole thing was a set up. The deaths were faked. The attacker was shot because he could not be trusted. It all fits perfectly.
Just in case it's not absolutely clear, the above is meant to be parody - an example of how I think the conspiracy theorists might think.
These conspiracy-theory idiots have no decency or sensitivity, the way they exploit tragedies like this.
Can't disagree with that. I'm also not enthusiastic about the political exploitation that's going on too.
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You mean the patsy.
Why was he killed when he had already been restrained? Why did the two "victims" - both Cambridge (known for being a breeding ground for spies) graduates - die out of sight. Clearly, the whole thing was a set up. The deaths were faked. The attacker was shot because he could not be trusted. It all fits perfectly.
Just in case it's not absolutely clear, the above is meant to be parody - an example of how I think the conspiracy theorists might think.
Can't disagree with that. I'm also not enthusiastic about the political exploitation that's going on too.
I've seen a couple of very blurry videos supposedly of the body of the murderer where after he has been killed he supposedly sits up. So some think there were no deaths at all.
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I've seen a couple of very blurry videos supposedly of the body of the murderer where after he has been killed he supposedly sits up. So some think there were no deaths at all.
I've heard about those (not seen them). I don't think they show what the CT people think.
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Robbie ,
I really am a lovely person mmmwah 😘
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Shurrup, you'll have me in tears :'(.
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This is a very powerful interview
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50744983