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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: jeremyp on December 08, 2019, 04:02:56 PM

Title: A blow against the vegans
Post by: jeremyp on December 08, 2019, 04:02:56 PM
Apparently, that shrine to porcine products: Melton Mowbray has said "no!" to vegan meat.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-50687895

What's really confusing me is that I never knew there was any outrage about selling vegan foods in Melton Mowbray, or that stocking vegan pork pies means you can't also stock real pork pies.

Seems to me we have here a publicity stunt aimed at getting an advert for a new vegan product on the BBC.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: ad_orientem on December 08, 2019, 04:23:15 PM
There is no such thing as a "vegan pork pie".
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Steve H on December 08, 2019, 09:10:50 PM
There is no such thing as a "vegan pork pie".
Yes, there is - one made from vegan pigs.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Harrowby Hall on December 08, 2019, 10:24:51 PM
If my memory serves me correctly, Melton Mowbray pork pies have EU name protection. A vegan product which bears a similar appearance to a pork pie but contains no pork may not, therefore, append Melton Mowbray to its description. Another product made nearby with similar protection is Stilton cheese.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Steve H on December 09, 2019, 05:24:31 AM
If my memory serves me correctly, Melton Mowbray pork pies have EU name protection. A vegan product which bears a similar appearance to a pork pie but contains no pork may not, therefore, append Melton Mowbray to its description. Another product made nearby with similar protection is Stilton cheese.
And that's something else we'll lose after brexit.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: jeremyp on December 09, 2019, 07:12:51 PM
If my memory serves me correctly, Melton Mowbray pork pies have EU name protection. A vegan product which bears a similar appearance to a pork pie but contains no pork may not, therefore, append Melton Mowbray to its description. Another product made nearby with similar protection is Stilton cheese.

But that is actually irrelevant. Nobody is claiming the "no pork" pies are Melton Mowbray pies.

Interesting side fact: Stilton is not in the protected stilton cheese area.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Robbie on December 09, 2019, 07:17:23 PM
But that is actually irrelevant. Nobody is claiming the "no pork" pies are Melton Mowbray pies.


True. Vegan pies can be made in the town of Melton Mowbray but aren't MM pies.

I want to know what vegan stockings are.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Walter on December 09, 2019, 07:21:06 PM
And that's something else we'll lose after brexit.
so now we're going to lose cheese? FFS
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Harrowby Hall on December 09, 2019, 08:19:25 PM
But that is actually irrelevant. Nobody is claiming the "no pork" pies are Melton Mowbray pies.

Interesting side fact: Stilton is not in the protected stilton cheese area.

Interesting side fact: Stilton cheese is made in a defined area (parts of Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire and Derbyshire) which is - with the exception of the Derbyshire area - effectively the Vale of Belvoir. Melton is just a few miles south of the Vale. I stated Another product made nearby with similar protection is Stilton cheese. The Vale of Belvoir and Melton Mowbray are nearby each other. The cheese gets its name from a coaching inn south of Stamford, where it was sold. It is quite probable that it was also sold in coaching inns in Grantham and Newark which are very close to its production area (Grantham is very close to the Vale of Belvoir, about six miles from Belvoir Castle).

To anyone bothering to read the BBC news item referring to Morrison's attempts to sell the non-meat pies, it is clear that the town does not want its famous product's reputation being sullied - even accidentally - by fake look-alikes.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Walter on December 09, 2019, 08:41:27 PM
Interesting side fact: Stilton cheese is made in a defined area (parts of Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire and Derbyshire) which is - with the exception of the Derbyshire area - effectively the Vale of Belvoir. Melton is just a few miles south of the Vale. I stated Another product made nearby with similar protection is Stilton cheese. The Vale of Belvoir and Melton Mowbray are nearby each other. The cheese gets its name from a coaching inn south of Stamford, where it was sold. It is quite probable that it was also sold in coaching inns in Grantham and Newark which are very close to its production area (Grantham is very close to the Vale of Belvoir, about six miles from Belvoir Castle).

To anyone bothering to read the BBC news item referring to Morrison's attempts to sell the non-meat pies, it is clear that the town does not want its famous product's reputation being sullied - even accidentally - by fake look-alikes.
HH,
Hold on a minute   I'll get a map out 😤
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Roses on December 10, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
I like MM real pork pies, I wouldn't like vegan thingies, it is wrong to call them pork, imo.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 02:07:30 PM
I like MM real pork pies, I wouldn't like vegan thingies, it is wrong to call them pork, imo.
Yes, that would be telling porkies
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Roses on December 10, 2019, 03:10:28 PM
Yes, that would be telling porkies

 ;D
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: jeremyp on December 10, 2019, 03:19:36 PM

To anyone bothering to read the BBC news item referring to Morrison's attempts to sell the non-meat pies, it is clear that the town does not want its famous product's reputation being sullied - even accidentally - by fake look-alikes.

It's not obvious to me. How would the reputation of Melton Mowbray pork pies be sullied by Morrisons selling a product that has no pork in it and is explicitly named to say so?
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: jeremyp on December 10, 2019, 03:21:49 PM
I like MM real pork pies, I wouldn't like vegan thingies, it is wrong to call them pork, imo.

The pies in question are called "no pork pies"

Also, how do you know you wouldn't like vegan pies if you've never tasted one?
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 03:24:05 PM
It's not obvious to me. How would the reputation of Melton Mowbray pork pies be sullied by Morrisons selling a product that has no pork in it and is explicitly named to say so?

"But don't call them 'no pork pies'. People could be confused."  And these people will have a vote on Thursday
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: jeremyp on December 10, 2019, 03:30:43 PM
And to show exactly how outraged people in Melton Mowbray get about pies that don't contain uncured pork, here's a story from March

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47485164

This really is nothing more than a publicity stunt by Morrisons

And I guess I fell for their evil plan by posting the story.
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Harrowby Hall on December 10, 2019, 04:21:09 PM

And I guess I fell for their evil plan by posting the story.

Wow!  Are you actually admitting to not being totally invincible?
Title: Re: A blow against the vegans
Post by: Udayana on December 10, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
The pies in question are called "no pork pies"

Also, how do you know you wouldn't like vegan pies if you've never tasted one?

They could have gone the whole hog and called them "Save the piggy pies" ...