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Title: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on December 08, 2019, 06:50:08 PM
So I had to go to A&E today (jaw pain and fairly dramatic swelling after a dental procedure last week). The first nurse I saw took a few notes and had a quick look, and told me to go straight to the next station where I’d be booked in to see the triage nurse. She then left her desk to follow me there, waited for me to be booked in then took my notes personally to the maxillary facial ward to find a specialist. We waited for no more than ten minutes before the MaxFac doctor appeared and called me in (we didn’t even need the triage nurse) and I was taken immediately into an examination booth space with a curtain round it where he asked me questions, examined me, told me I could have an X-ray but there’d be no point because he already knew what was wrong and prescribed various drugs. Two minutes later a nurse appeared to take me to a station where they put in a line and filled me with stuff, and gave me more to take in tablet form in the coming week. Total time from arrival to departure: maybe two hours tops.

Some thoughts:

The service I received was unbelievably good. I might have expected them to be short-staffed on a Sunday but if they were it didn’t tell one bit. The whole episode was quite exceptional in terms of its efficiency. When it’s good the NHS is world class, and the thought of the tory fuckwits getting in again and flogging off as much as they can get away with fills me with horror.

Everyone I encountered was exceptionally kind and warm. The MaxFac specialist who saw me reappeared when the drugs were being administered to check that I was ok, and stayed for a while to answer any questions. The nurses too were just a delight – given the strain the system is under especially I thought this was quite something. And yet we live in a society that remunerates these people who do such good at a fraction of the level of so many who provide comparatively little added value to society as a whole.

So far as I could tell no-one except the initial nurse who saw me first was obviously a Brit. The specialist was Armenian, the two nurses who dealt with the drugs were Italian and Spanish and several of the other nurses there clearly didn’t have English as their first language. This is what immigration means in practice – qualified, valuable, delightful people who have upped sticks to come from their own countries (that doubtless need their skills every bit as much as we do, and who most likely paid to train them too) making this country a better place to live. And yet the Brexit disaster was heavily sold on “controlling immigration” as if immigration was some kind of bogey man to be feared rather than to be thankful for on bended knee.

Anyway, just some thoughts I thought I’d post here.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 09, 2019, 08:29:37 AM
Having had to visit A&E a few times this year, I definitely agree with your complimentary comments.  I think I am optimistic about the continued excellence and reliability of the NHS after the election but am not as sure as I'd like to be.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Roses on December 09, 2019, 08:34:49 AM
Lucky you BHS. I have had to visit A&E a few times in the last year or two, once on my own account, but usually with my husband and his problems. The waiting time is horrendous, you are fortunate if you were seen within 8 hours.

However, I should add that when we were seen the care was excellent.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Aruntraveller on December 09, 2019, 08:36:38 AM
Not optimistic at all I'm afraid Susan.

I worked in it for many years and all, I repeat ALL of my former colleagues are dispirited and depressed about the direction of travel under this govt and the likely future govt. They (and I) do not believe that the current hard right conservative government cares at all about the NHS except as a means of generating capital for their friends in the private sector.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 09, 2019, 02:37:21 PM

From the BBC's live update thread:


A few minutes ago we brought you a Conservative candidate's reaction to the photo in the Yorkshire Evening Post of a four-year-old boy, with suspected pneumonia, sleeping on a hospital floor because there weren't enough beds.

Now the PM himself has spoken out about it - but only after trying to dodge the question several times.

ITV's Joe Pike was doing the questioning and as this clip of the exchange shows, Mr Johnson takes his phone away from him when he tries to show him the picture.

Eventually, though, Mr Johnson does respond, taking the phone back out of his pocket and looking at it.

"It's a terrible terrible photo, and I apologise obviously to the family," Mr Johnson says.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Robbie on December 09, 2019, 05:53:53 PM
I think BJ's reaction was odd but suppose I'd have to know him to understand and have been there. I probably would still think it odd and uncaring.

Bluehillside, it's good that your experience in A&E was so positive but, I have to add, I've known others who have been seen as an emergency by the Oral Surgeons and they've all had quick treatment. They are not inundated with emergency cases like other specialties and there is almost always someone on call.

It's not the same for other types of cases I'm afraid.

Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Walter on December 09, 2019, 06:08:58 PM
Genuine question ;
Is arriving at A&E on a 999 ambulance call out classed as a visit to A&E ?
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Robbie on December 09, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
I suppose it is but usually a more acute condition than if someone arrives by car or on foot.
I spent all evening and all night waiting to be seen and eventually admitted in April after being taken to A&E, eventually felt better but was given medication that made me worse than when I arrived. A flipping nightmare, never again if I can avoid it.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Walter on December 09, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
I suppose it is but usually a more acute condition than if someone arrives by car or on foot.
I spent all evening and all night waiting to be seen and eventually admitted in April after being taken to A&E, eventually felt better but was given medication that made me worse than when I arrived. A flipping nightmare, never again if I can avoid it.
sounds to me you didn't need to go in the first place Robbie 😷
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Harrowby Hall on December 09, 2019, 07:26:43 PM
I think BJ's reaction was odd ...   

I have watched over the past few days. What I see is disturbingly similar to what I see with Donald Trump. Johnson seems to find it difficult to make cogent unscripted utterances, although he does not appear to contradict himself, like Trump. He snatched the interviewing journalist's phone from him and pocketed it - problems with self-control? He could have been accused of theft!

My suspicion is that Dominic Cummings is more important in this campaign than we think
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Walter on December 09, 2019, 07:29:40 PM
Robbie ,
I apologise . I misread your post 😘
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on December 09, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
Thanks for the replies so far. Be nice to think that pocketing the journo's 'phone rather than look at the picture will be the incompetent fuckwit's bacon sandwich moment but I don't suppose his fan boy press will treat it the way they did for Ed Milliband, even though today it was so much worse.

Incidentally, if you want to see what Corbyn should be saying about the tory legacy here's Jonathan Pie on blistering form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUWX6S8iYU
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 09, 2019, 10:22:54 PM
Voting for Johnson supports the deaths from the the welfare policies we have had.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Robbie on December 09, 2019, 11:58:06 PM
sounds to me you didn't need to go in the first place Robbie 😷

That is exactly what I thought and said at the time, it wasn't my choice to go I can assure you and like I said, I wouldn't again! Problem was I had an accident and husband felt I needed to be checked out. Took me a heck of a lot longer to recover after being discharged from hospital than it would had I just stayed home and laid down for a bit. I'd have been OK the next day.I can't get over the drugs I was given, so unnecessary.

Robbie ,
I apologise . I misread your post 😘

I don't know where but not to worry.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Robbie on December 10, 2019, 12:01:08 AM
Not optimistic at all I'm afraid Susan.

I worked in it for many years and all, I repeat ALL of my former colleagues are dispirited and depressed about the direction of travel under this govt and the likely future govt. They (and I) do not believe that the current hard right conservative government cares at all about the NHS except as a means of generating capital for their friends in the private sector.

I'm sure you're right Trent, my medical relations feel same, quite demoralised.

Voting for Johnson supports the deaths from the the welfare policies we have had.

Yes.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 01:00:17 AM
It would be interesting, and probably helpful, if someone here would suggest which party to vote forwith regard to the NHS. However, no-one should vote on that subject alone and I, for one, shall vote for my local - mostly good - Conservative MP.
I utterly disagreed though with his leave the EU opinions.
It wouldn't matter if I did not, he will get in with a large majority.
I am absolutely not voting for Johnson, I think he's an idiot.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 01:40:03 AM
It would be interesting, and probably helpful, if someone here would suggest which party to vote forwith regard to the NHS. However, no-one should vote on that subject alone and I, for one, shall vote for my local - mostly good - Conservative MP.
I utterly disagreed though with his leave the EU opinions.
It wouldn't matter if I did not, he will get in with a large majority.
I am absolutely not voting for Johnson, I think he's an idiot.
  Johnson doesn't care about your caveat. He thanks you for your vote and will spaff it up the wall.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 06:06:58 AM
  Johnson doesn't care about your caveat. He thanks you for your vote and will spaff it up the wall.
Maybe, but which party do you think would actually serve the country well and have any chance of getting a majority and fulfilling its fantasy promises.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 06:47:00 AM
Maybe, but which party do you think would actually serve the country well and have any chance of getting a majority and fulfilling its fantasy promises.
Chose Boris, chose lies, chose islamophobia, chose thuggery, chose racism, chose incompetence on Nazanin Zaghari, chose.selling the NHS
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 07:11:19 AM
Chose Boris, chose lies, chose islamophobia, chose thuggery, chose racism, chose incompetence on Nazanin Zaghari, chose.selling the NHS
that's just a rant against ; where's a promotion for. I'm not, on principle,  going to not vote
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Stranger on December 10, 2019, 07:13:30 AM
It would be interesting, and probably helpful, if someone here would suggest which party to vote forwith regard to the NHS. However, no-one should vote on that subject alone and I, for one, shall vote for my local - mostly good - Conservative MP.

Voting Tory is voting for the rich and privileged, against ordinary people, and is a kick in the teeth for anybody needing any help from the state. It's a vote against honesty in politics and for a narcissistic, self-serving, serial barefaced liar who cares about nothing but himself.

As Frankie Boyle put it (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/frankie-boyle-election-countdown-praying-prorogue-next-parliament?fbclid=IwAR2ds8AOefLiVJa4Qt89lBX_1rnztWp-CRoCWeJuB6OjJVyx6hVhDzXRoGU), "I won’t be voting Tory on Thursday, for much the same reasons that I won’t be spending the day kicking children and pensioners into traffic."
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 07:16:05 AM
that's just a rant against ; where's a promotion for. I'm not, on principle,  going to not vote
Doesn't matter. If that is your vote, you vote for that.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Stranger on December 10, 2019, 07:19:15 AM
that's just a rant against ; where's a promotion for. I'm not, on principle,  going to not vote

I've never been able to vote for a party I actually wholly support, it's always a question of voting against the worst. Our undemocratic voting system means that most of us are disenfranchised anyway - the election will (as always) be decided in marginal constituencies.

To vote against the worst: Remain United (https://www.remainunited.org/)
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Gordon on December 10, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
Maybe, but which party do you think would actually serve the country well and have any chance of getting a majority and fulfilling its fantasy promises.

If there are competing fantasy promises then I'd go for the set that isn't being advanced by a cowardly self-served mendacious PM and his troop of incompetent fuckwits peddling an agenda that has as its core the outright lies of Brexit: in other words, anyone other than the despicable Tories, since voting for them only encourages them.   
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 07:58:55 AM
All these negative rants are useless and get nobody anywhere.  How about coming up with the two least worst and saying how they would be better.

As for equating me, in a sweeping generalisation,  with the party liked least, well, that is of course a wrong idea. I was going to say 'unfair', but that would be a feeble and silly response.

I have known my local MP for many years. He is a decent man.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Gordon on December 10, 2019, 08:07:40 AM
Just choosing anything other than the Tories has to better, in that you'd not be supporting the likes of Johnson, Raab, Patel, Truss et al. Even if your local MP is a decent guy his party is responsible for the current Brexit shambles and his leader is a liar.

Pity you can't vote SNP.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Stranger on December 10, 2019, 08:29:00 AM
All these negative rants are useless and get nobody anywhere.  How about coming up with the two least worst and saying how they would be better.

If you don't feel very positive about any of them, then the negatives become the deciding factor. In fact any of the others (Labour, Green, Lib Dem) would be better because they'd end the pointless, crippling austerity and do something to save the NHS and other public services that have been decimated by Tory cuts. They'd also give us a chance of reversing the Brexit idiocy.

The Conservatives always benefit the rich and privileged at the expense of the poor and vulnerable - I really don't see why that isn't a good reason to vote for somebody (anybody) else unless you're rich, privileged, and selfish. Don't get me wrong, I do understand that people who aren't rich, privileged, and selfish do vote Tory, I just don't understand why.

Have you ever taken the Political Compass (https://www.politicalcompass.org/test) test? If you do, you can then compare with the parties in this election: UK Parties 2019 General Election (https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019). My problem is that my result is here: Stranger's Compass (https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-8.13&soc=-6.97) - so I'm not very near any of the parties.

I have known my local MP for many years. He is a decent man.

"I'm not arguing there are no decent people in the Tory party, but they're like bits of sweetcorn in a turd; technically they've kept their integrity, but they're still embedded in shit."
-- Holly in The Quarry by Iain Banks
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 08:33:44 AM
Just choosing anything other than the Tories has to better, in that you'd not be supporting the likes of Johnson, Raab, Patel, Truss et al. Even if your local MP is a decent guy his party is responsible for the current Brexit shambles and his leader is a liar.

Pity you can't vote SNP.
Apart from the fact of the majority vote here, any vote is going to produce a choice of PM to Corbyn or Johnson. Which do you think is the lesser of those two depressing choices?
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Stranger on December 10, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Apart from the fact of the majority vote here, any vote is going to produce a choice of PM to Corbyn or Johnson. Which do you think is the lesser of those two depressing choices?

Corbyn by a country mile - but he's very unlikely to get an actual majority anyway, so we're really looking at a Boris majority (most likely and most horrific) or a Corbyn minority government that will have to compromise with other parties.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Outrider on December 10, 2019, 09:04:01 AM
Corbyn by a country mile - but he's very unlikely to get an actual majority anyway, so we're really looking at a Boris majority (most likely and most horrific) or a Corbyn minority government that will have to compromise with other parties.

Unfortunately, we're more likely to get a Tory minority government than a Labour one - Johnson backed up by the hate-mongering spite-merchants in the DUP and any UKIP/Brexit candidates that get through...

O.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Aruntraveller on December 10, 2019, 09:43:47 AM
All these negative rants are useless and get nobody anywhere.  How about coming up with the two least worst and saying how they would be better.

As for equating me, in a sweeping generalisation,  with the party liked least, well, that is of course a wrong idea. I was going to say 'unfair', but that would be a feeble and silly response.

I have known my local MP for many years. He is a decent man.

But negative rants is where our politics are now.

Of course, I could point out that of the major developed economic nations in the West we have the largest gap between the richest and poorest in society, yes larger even that the USA. That the Labour party would seek to address that is a good thing, not a negative thing. I could point out that the NHS has been underfunded by the Tories for the last 9 years, and that the Labour party would seek to address that. That is a positive thing, not a negative thing. I could point out that the Labour party would fund social care properly, so that old people are not forced to use up their life savings to pay for dementia care. That is a positive thing, not a negative thing. I could point out that the Labour party is going to cut class sizes to 30 pupils. That is a positive thing, not a negative thing.  I could go on, but I doubt being a Tory you will pay me any heed.

However let me leave you with one last thought.

Boris Johnson is a negative thing, it shows in his every action and utterance. Remember, he has lied to his wife, his mistress, his boss, the Queen. Why on Earth do you think he is not lying to you?

And this, however you justify it, is who you are voting to put in charge of the (disunited) UK.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 10:18:07 AM
But negative rants is where our politics are now.
Thank you for your - positive! - reply. I have spent some time writing a thought-out response, clicked on post … only for it to come up with the 'can't reach this page' notice, so I've lost it.  If I can face it, I'll try again … … *shakes head sadly*
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Gordon on December 10, 2019, 10:19:10 AM
Apart from the fact of the majority vote here, any vote is going to produce a choice of PM to Corbyn or Johnson. Which do you think is the lesser of those two depressing choices?

Corbyn by a mile, and especially since he'd probably need to work with the SNP and Lib Dems: and anything is a better alternative than Johnson and the Tories.

If I had a magic wand, which sadly I don't, I'd revoke A50 and then arrange a review of how the current UK state is organised and managed so that the 4 nations can then decide whether they can agree a new basis to be 'united' or not, and then deal with the implications that raises in terms of the EU.

That way the electorate in England and Wales, where support for the Tories/Brexit is strongest and concentrated in some localities, can sort out for themselves where they stand on the Tories and the EU without dragging Scotland down with them - hopefully enough of the electorate in England would realise that the Tories are useless and Brexit is a fools paradise.     
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Anchorman on December 10, 2019, 10:36:47 AM
TV's response to SusanDoris was excellent. If Johnson is elected PM, I cannot see how he can fulfill his party's core objective. The name of the party 'Conservative and Unionist' is somewhat anachronistic, sincwe the union he would lead is anything but united. Not only will Scotland - yet again - be governed by a party the vast majority reject, but Johnson's inept handling of the situation in Northern Ireland, the divisive nature of his persona in Wales, and his completely ignoring Giberalter as far as Brexit goes, shows that his policies, far from unifying, are dividing the less-than-united-kingdom further each time he uttersanother falsehood. A further five or six years of Tory misrule will only exacerbate the unrest, division and mistrust. He might well 'get brexit done' - or at least start to do so - but in doing so, his ignoring the elephant in the room - the democratic deficit - might well prove a far bigger hurdle - or ditch - for him to overcome.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 10:38:13 AM
If I had a magic wand I would put Walter and Gabriella in charge
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 10:43:35 AM
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All these negative rants are useless and get nobody anywhere.  How about coming up with the two least worst and saying how they would be better.

As for equating me, in a sweeping generalisation,  with the party liked least, well, that is of course a wrong idea. I was going to say 'unfair', but that would be a feeble and silly response.

I have known my local MP for many years. He is a decent man.

So did he vote against Universal Credit?
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Udayana on December 10, 2019, 10:51:53 AM
As always would just say that you are not voting for a party or party leader but for an individual to send to the Commons.

Vote for the person you think is the most compassionate, intelligent, and competent in the areas you think are most important, eg. in this case on NHS funding.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Bramble on December 10, 2019, 10:56:56 AM
Voting Tory is voting for the rich and privileged, against ordinary people, and is a kick in the teeth for anybody needing any help from the state. It's a vote against honesty in politics and for a narcissistic, self-serving, serial barefaced liar who cares about nothing but himself.


And yet, if we get a Tory majority it will be in large part because of the support of 'ordinary people' in traditionally Labour voting areas who seem determined now to 'get Brexit done' by voting for the very elite they claim to loathe. Go figure.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Aruntraveller on December 10, 2019, 11:01:02 AM
And yet, if we get a Tory majority it will be in large part because of the support of 'ordinary people' in traditionally Labour voting areas who seem determined now to 'get Brexit done' by voting for the very elite they claim to loathe. Go figure.

Indeed. Seldom has that famous saying about turkeys and Christmas been more apt.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Bramble on December 10, 2019, 11:08:14 AM
Indeed. Seldom has that famous saying about turkeys and Christmas been more apt.

And as we now know, because they've told us, these turkeys knew exactly what they were voting for.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Outrider on December 10, 2019, 11:13:27 AM
As always would just say that you are not voting for a party or party leader but for an individual to send to the Commons.

Vote for the person you think is the most compassionate, intelligent, and competent in the areas you think are most important, eg. in this case on NHS funding.

Except that you aren't only voting for that, you are in addition contributing to the decision of who is going to be Prime Minister - your vote has consequences beyond which local MP you get.

O.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Udayana on December 10, 2019, 11:15:19 AM
And as we now know, because they've told us, these turkeys knew exactly what they were voting for.

All turkeys know that "Christmas" is just project fear. After all, no-one has actually seen one!
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Udayana on December 10, 2019, 11:18:24 AM
Except that you aren't only voting for that, you are in addition contributing to the decision of who is going to be Prime Minister - your vote has consequences beyond which local MP you get.

O.

Or.. contributing to the reining back of a PM over whose installation your vote has negligible influence.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 11:32:53 AM
As always would just say that you are not voting for a party or party leader but for an individual to send to the Commons.

Vote for the person you think is the most compassionate, intelligent, and competent in the areas you think are most important, eg. in this case on NHS funding.
Unless you are voting for a maverick who calls out party policy though, then you are voting for party policy.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Udayana on December 10, 2019, 11:58:22 AM
Unless you are voting for a maverick who calls out party policy though, then you are voting for party policy.

Indirectly yes. However every party has a bundle of policies some you may like, others that you don't. Those policies will be discussed, reviewed, amended and passed as legislation before implementation - the last thing you want is for a wind-up slogan pusher to be making the decisions on them.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Nearly Sane on December 10, 2019, 12:00:14 PM
Indirectly yes. However every party has a bundle of policies some you may like, others that you don't. Those policies will be discussed, reviewed, amended and passed as legislation before implementation - the last thing you want is for a wind-up slogan pusher to be making the decisions on them.
Which is effectively most of them - if you don't know your MP will vote against party policy and what they will vote against, then you either know they will vote for it, or need to assume that they will
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 02:53:27 PM
And yet, if we get a Tory majority it will be in large part because of the support of 'ordinary people' in traditionally Labour voting areas who seem determined now to 'get Brexit done' by voting for the very elite they claim to loathe. Go figure.
And why shouldn't they, I ask myself. I am absolutely a remainer, but the majority of those who bothered to vote in the referendum was in favour of leave, so I think it would be an insult to them, however much I disagree with them and would like to give them a good shaking for voting that way, if that result was simply overturned. That is also why I think that if the Labour Party voted for a second referendum, I'd be tempted to vote leave.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: SusanDoris on December 10, 2019, 03:04:41 PM
Trent Voyager

My apologies - I have made an attempt to recreate my response to your post but I've given up. I can assure you, however, I did heed what you said, and gave a thought-out response.

I did finish with, Okay, that's enough politics for now. I usually stay well away from political discussions.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: wigginhall on December 10, 2019, 03:11:05 PM
I am scared of a Tory win, as I use the NHS a lot.  It has visibly deteriorated in recent years.  I used to get GP appointment next day, now it's 2 weeks, non-emergency, and I don't believe anything Boris says.  As Kinnock used to say, don't get ill, don't get old, or poor, in the next few years.
Title: Re: A visit to A&E - some thoughts
Post by: Walter on December 18, 2019, 08:13:37 AM
Mine was not a visit to A&E but I would like to tell you this .
On Monday this week I finally decided to phone my doctors for an appointment to discuss a cough I've had for about 3 months
The receptionist said a triage doctor will ring me back . This happened within 2 hours and I was in the surgery 3 hours later
Tuesday ( yesterday) I was in the hospital for blood tests and x-rays .
Total time waiting in hospital was less than 45 mins
Test results could be ready by Friday .
This seems like a pretty good service to me , or was I just lucky ?

What do you think Wiggy?