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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ippy on September 03, 2020, 08:37:54 PM
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It looks like there's to be quiet a significant shake up with the Beeb going by several reports I've seen earlier in the day on YouTube, going by these articles it looks like it'll be done and dusted before the next charter review due in 2027, that is if they have it right of course.
ippy.
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Do you think that you could be rather more specific, Ippy? YouTube videos are not ususally perceived as being documents of record.
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It looks like there's to be quiet a significant shake up with the Beeb going by several reports I've seen earlier in the day on YouTube, going by these articles it looks like it'll be done and dusted before the next charter review due in 2027, that is if they have it right of course.
ippy.
Are these the right wingers streaming from their mums houses?
There's thousands of those.
Right wing opinion is the new rock and roll. Where young men living at home once impersonated Elvis in front the mirror, middle aged right wingers still living at home impersonate Farage in front of an I phone.
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Do you think that you could be rather more specific, ippy? YouTube videos are not usually perceived as being documents of record.
Made a point of not being too specific, so that others can make their own choices.
Agreed but it is possible 'via YouTube', to take more of a cross section of various points of view as opposed to forming a view based on the U K media's output, such as the BBC and the various British commercial channels, alone would tend to give a more one sided form of appraisal, but there, this new BBC D G looks promising.
ippy
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Made a point of not being too specific, so that others can make their own choices.
Agreed but it is possible 'via YouTube', to take more of a cross section of various points of view as opposed to forming a view based on the U K media's output, such as the BBC and the various British commercial channels, alone would tend to give a more one sided form of appraisal, but there, this new BBC D G looks promising.
ippy
For all the complaints about left wing bias in the BBC has there ever previously been a DG more overtly party political appointment. Tim Davie is a former elected Conservative councillor and was Deputy Chair of a constituency Conservative party.
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For all the complaints about left wing bias in the BBC has there ever previously been a DG more overtly party political appointment. Tim Davie is a former elected Conservative councillor and was Deputy Chair of a constituency Conservative party.
Made a point of underlining the looks Proff.
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One thing which the BBC knockers - and the foolish politicians themselves - apparently fail to appreciate is that, apart from the monarchy, the BBC is the best known and most greatly appreciated and admired British brand in the rest of the world. For Alexander Johnson to seriously damage the BBC would be more than shooting himself in the foot it would (in his case) be the equivalent of shooting himself in the glans penis.
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One thing which the BBC knockers - and the foolish politicians themselves - apparently fail to appreciate is that, apart from the monarchy, the BBC is the best known and most greatly appreciated and admired British brand in the rest of the world. For Alexander Johnson to seriously damage the BBC would be more than shooting himself in the foot it would (in his case) be the equivalent of shooting himself in the glans penis.
Whatever your view of the BBC is, it looks like it's in for quiet a shaking well before the charter review in 2027, all I want from any broadcaster is neutrality we have to, should, hear both sides of anything that's in any way controversial and if you think they have been even handed over the last few years, where have you been.
I'm not left or right wing and because of the way our electoral system operates I find it very difficult to vote for any of them and it's a pity that even the BBC doesn't serve us better than it does either.
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I want from any broadcaster is neutrality we have to, should, hear both sides of anything that's in any way controversial and if you think they have been even handed over the last few years, where have you been.
Yes. As I've pointed out before, and you have never rebutted, they gave a disproportionate amount of airtime to Nigel Farage.
What's that you say? Doesn't fit in with your preconceived notion of bias. Shame that.
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Yes. As I've pointed out before, and you have never rebutted, they gave a disproportionate amount of airtime to Nigel Farage.
What's that you say? Doesn't fit in with your preconceived notion of bias. Shame that.
Yes I remember that post of yours Trent, but going back to the OP it'll be interesting to see where this sort out of the BBC goes, the licence fee for over 75's etc.
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all I want from any broadcaster is neutrality we have to, should, hear both sides of anything that's in any way controversial and if you think they have been even handed over the last few years, where have you been.
In what way have the BBC not been even handed over the past few years. Some examples please.
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In what way have the BBC not been even handed over the past few years. Some examples please.
Well Proff D, very good of you to ask but I have to ask what areas of the BBC's output do you think could be questionable and potentially have to change, even if you're looking in areas where you might feel they've got it about right?
From what I hear there is a sort out on the way.
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Yes I remember that post of yours Trent, but going back to the OP it'll be interesting to see where this sort out of the BBC goes, the licence fee for petitioners etc.
And yet again a refusal to address the point.
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And yet again a refusal to address the point.
The point I made in the O P of this thread?
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Did you make a point. Sorry I must have missed it whilst scrabbling around on Youtube looking at clips of gammon.
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... it'll be interesting to see where this sort out of the BBC goes, the licence fee for pensioners etc.
"Clueless" masquerading as "ippy." (I forgive your lexical error which is probably caused by your dyslexia.)
The licence fee is a hypothecated tax collected by the Treasury. A Labour government decided that pensioners over the age of 75 did not have to pay this tax. The shortfall in the BBC's income was met from Treasury resources. The current Conservative "government" has decided that it will end this practice. Instead of re-instating the tax, the "government" has arbitrarily indicated that the BBC will have to manage with a considerable drop in its income.
How does this indicate "left-wing bias"?
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"Clueless" masquerading as "ippy." (I forgive your lexical error which is probably caused by your dyslexia.)
The licence fee is a hypothecated tax collected by the Treasury. A Labour government decided that pensioners over the age of 75 did not have to pay this tax. The shortfall in the BBC's income was met from Treasury resources. The current Conservative "government" has decided that it will end this practice. Instead of re-instating the tax, the "government" has arbitrarily indicated that the BBC will have to manage with a considerable drop in its income.
How does this indicate "left-wing bias"?
Can't quiet see where there was any mention about a left wing bias in the OP.
Is there something bothering you with the looming certainty that the BBC is in for a big shake up in the way it operates, if that's so what exactly what is it that's particularly bothering you, only I'm not looking for anything other than impartiality from any news source including the BBC. something that's far more difficult than
Oh yes. your post seem to be quiet aggressive, why's that?
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"Clueless" masquerading as "ippy." (I forgive your lexical error which is probably caused by your dyslexia.)
The licence fee is a hypothecated tax collected by the Treasury. A Labour government decided that pensioners over the age of 75 did not have to pay this tax. The shortfall in the BBC's income was met from Treasury resources. The current Conservative "government" has decided that it will end this practice. Instead of re-instating the tax, the "government" has arbitrarily indicated that the BBC will have to manage with a considerable drop in its income.
How does this indicate "left-wing bias"?
To be fair to Ippy his typo is perfectly explicable due to predictive text on his IT.
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You either know full well that the pensioner licences were paid for by the government.........
...............or you know now.
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Tell me Ippy. Do the over seventy fives get free Sky boxes?
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Well Proff D, very good of you to ask but I have to ask what areas of the BBC's output do you think could be questionable and potentially have to change, even if you're looking in areas where you might feel they've got it about right?
From what I hear there is a sort out on the way.
That isn't an answer to my question.
So I ask you once again, in what way have the BBC not been even handed over the past few years? Some examples please.
I'd like you to give me some examples of situations where the BBC has not been even handed on controversial issues as you claimed in an earlier post.
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My son hasn't paid a TV license fee for at least 5 years because he never watches BBC programmes.
I am about to pay our license fee again, but I do have certain criticisms of the BBC.
1) It is too London centric
2) Its political programmes(E.g. 'Newsnight', 'Today') have become far too aggressive and harrying towards its interviewees. The constant interruptions and accusatory questoning by some of its interviewers(E.g. Emily Maitlis, Nick Robinson) make it difficult for me to get a clear picture of the substance of the interviews, especially with politicians who seem to be hounded before they can even finish a sentence. I have nothing against pertinent and forceful questioning, but I constantly feel frustrated because I fail to get much meaningful from the exchanges.
3) It tends to use far too many reporters especially when covering news items.
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That isn't an answer to my question.
So I ask you once again, in what way have the BBC not been even handed over the past few years? Some examples please.
I'd like you to give me some examples of situations where the BBC has not been even handed on controversial issues as you claimed in an earlier post.
I've got the message Proff D, I might address some of your questions after I've seen some responses to my O P, I haven't seen any questions I want to respond to yet.
I'm not waiting for responses I want to pounce on however I will say I've some experience of how the BBC responds to anything you might want to protest about, incidentally my particular experience in this area didn't have anything to do with Brexit.
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To be fair to Ippy his typo is perfectly explicable due to predictive text on his IT.
You got that one right Vlad, I'm having some trouble with cataracts and of course your quiet right about my handicap in the spelling area, it is weird you would think learning parrot fashion would do it, or a bit of familiarity would step in at some stage none of that works, I can assure you I get so annoyed with it, for example I can spell some words one day and not the next, so as I keep on saying be impressed when I get it right, it's far more of an effort for me than most.
Regards,ippy.
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My son hasn't paid a TV license fee for at least 5 years because he never watches BBC programmes.
I am about to pay our license fee again, but I do have certain criticisms of the BBC.
1) It is too London centric
2) Its political programmes(E.g. 'Newsnight', 'Today') have become far too aggressive and harrying towards its interviewees. The constant interruptions and accusatory questoning by some of its interviewers(E.g. Emily Maitlis, Nick Robinson) make it difficult for me to get a clear picture of the substance of the interviews, especially with politicians who seem to be hounded before they can even finish a sentence. I have nothing against pertinent and forceful questioning, but I constantly feel frustrated because I fail to get much meaningful from the exchanges.
3) It tends to use far too many reporters especially when covering news items.
Right on both counts enki, I think it also has a lot to do with the “BBC Bubble”. A large proportion of the staff are of a similar background. Socially, educationally and politically, there is a pervading conventional wisdom that generates a consensus of opinion and a distinct lack of rational criticism. This is summarised by, “Everyone here (i.e. in the Bubble) agrees with me, so I must be right”. Perhaps this helps to explain the relatively recent surge in accusations of a general bias in the BBC’s reporting and in its programmes.
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Perhaps this helps to explain the relatively recent surge in accusations of a general bias in the BBC’s reporting and in its programmes.
Yes - I'm sick of the bias on news reporting. Of course, when you look at the history of the reporters it's hardly surprising.
Nick RObinson: "Robinson was a founder-member of Macclesfield Young Conservatives (YC) and rose through the ranks, becoming Cheshire YC Chairman from 1982 to 1984 and became a key activist in the moderate-controlled North West Area organisation. Philip Pedley, as National YC Chairman, co-opted Robinson onto the YC National Advisory Committee in 1983 and appointed him National Campaign Director of Youth for Multilateral Disarmament. Robinson was elected National Vice Chairman from 1985 to 1987 and succeeded a fellow moderate, Richard Fuller, when Robinson was elected Chairman of the National Young Conservatives on the moderate ticket against strong right-wing opposition (1987–1988).[7]
At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1985.[8][9]" Wikipedia
Or you might want to read this article:
https://www.culturematters.org.uk/index.php/culture/tv/item/2947-culture-punch-the-bbc-s-right-wing-bias
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One wonders if the aim is to turn the BBC into the CBC.
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One wonders if the aim is to turn the BBC into the CBC.
I've heard something like that, I'd want to see more about that and see or hear what that would involve.
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I've heard something like that, I'd want to see more about that and see or hear what that would involve.
Some of us Scots already think of it as the EBC anyway, so that it turns into the PR division of the Tory party would be no great surprise.
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Right on both counts enki, I think it also has a lot to do with the “BBC Bubble”. A large proportion of the staff are of a similar background. Socially, educationally and politically, there is a pervading conventional wisdom that generates a consensus of opinion and a distinct lack of rational criticism. This is summarised by, “Everyone here (i.e. in the Bubble) agrees with me, so I must be right”. Perhaps this helps to explain the relatively recent surge in accusations of a general bias in the BBC’s reporting and in its programmes.
I aren't talking about bias at all. It doesn't seem to matter which politician is interviewed, the same aggressive approach seems to be followed.
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I aren't talking about bias at all. It doesn't seem to matter which politician is interviewed, the same aggressive approach seems to be followed.
I'd agree there is a more aggressive approach evident, but I do wonder if the politicians are, at least, partly responsible. The number of times I have felt frustrated and shouted at the screen "Just answer the bloody question" are many, and I am sure the frustration I feel is probably felt by the interviewers, which in turn leads to a higher level of aggression in an effort to try to extract some kind of meaningful answer.
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Some of us Scots already think of it as the EBC anyway, so that it turns into the PR division of the Tory party would be no great surprise.
I'll believe almost everything I hear about them dating back to pre 2007 with the select committee meetings pre one of their charter reviews, including EBC as you frame your term.
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I'd agree there is a more aggressive approach evident, but I do wonder if the politicians are, at least, partly responsible. The number of times I have felt frustrated and shouted at the screen "Just answer the bloody question" are many, and I am sure the frustration I feel is probably felt by the interviewers, which in turn leads to a higher level of aggression in an effort to try to extract some kind of meaningful answer.
I do know where you're coming from but that is only matched, in my case, by me(or my wife) shouting at the screen, " Let him/her answer the bloody question". At least we have the theoretical power to get rid of politicians, not so the interviewers, it seems.
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I aren't talking about bias at all. It doesn't seem to matter which politician is interviewed, the same aggressive approach seems to be followed.
Yes I agree and it seems to rub off on to the general public mood.
(Meant as an example of woke only).
Woke in action, I don't agree with you and because you've decided to oppose me you must be a very bad more than likely an immoral and unethical person as well!
The interviews should be impartial, I wish they were.
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I do know where you're coming from but that is only matched, in my case, by me(or my wife) shouting at the screen, " Let him/her answer the bloody question". At least we have the theoretical power to get rid of politicians, not so the interviewers, it seems.
Yes I notice that as well, but usually on Good Morning Britain when Piers Morgan is in charge. It is nigh on impossible for anyone to get a word in when he's in full fllow!
I find the interviewers on BBC Breakfast more willing to hear answers, if they are given. Newsnight depends very much on who is asking the questions. Emily Maitliss who came in for some criticism awhile ago I find to be one of the more effective interviewers.
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Woke in action, I don't agree with you and because you've decided to oppose me you must be a very bad more than likely an immoral and unethical person as well!
Is that "woke" in action?
Genuine question, as "woke" appears to be a very flexible term and can be used as a definer of a person, depending on your viewpoint, as either good or bad. I Personally find it useless as a defining term in any debate.
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Is that "woke" in action?
Genuine question, as "woke" appears to be a very flexible term and can be used as a definer of a person, depending on your viewpoint, as either good or bad. I Personally find it useless as a defining term in any debate.
Woke does seem to be very much like that description to me and of course subjective.