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Title: Love
Post by: Sriram on January 08, 2023, 05:48:43 AM
Hi everyone,

We use the word 'love' in many different ways.....most often to indicate wants and desires rather than love.

Here is something on what love actually means.....

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2016/05/28/love/

Cheers.

Sriram
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 08, 2023, 09:15:15 AM
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Every person  with raging hormones believes he is in ‘love’ and that, it is his divine right to pursue and win over his chosen mate (even by force or threat)….never mind that she is not interested or that she is attracted to someone else or is even someone else’s wife.

Not only does this section smack of sexism it also makes an entirely untrue statement that every person believes it is his "divine right".

I've never believed that even when I was in the throes of raging hormones, be that many years ago now.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: SqueakyVoice on January 08, 2023, 02:56:22 PM
So, love is more than a feeling,
Love is more than you've been searching  for.
Not my words. The words of the Bostonists.

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(a)divine right to pursue and win over his chosen mate (even by force or threat)
At least these Bostonists aren't more rapey, I suppose.


Not only does this section smack of sexism it also makes an entirely untrue statement that every person believes it is his "divine right".
Uptick +1
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 08, 2023, 03:12:43 PM
That love as a concept covers many different aspects is hardly a new idea. That there is one true meaning as seems to be suggested seems to make a claim that not only isn't backed up but cannot be backed up as it's based on a misunderstanding of how language works.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 08, 2023, 03:24:43 PM
So, love is more than a feeling,
Love is more than you've been searching  for.
Not my words. The words of the Bostonists.
At least these Bostonists aren't more rapey, I suppose.

Uptick +1
Indeed after all Love is a battlefield, or it's like a butterfly, or is like an open door, though it is in the air, and since it's like oxygen that may be true, though oddly it is like a burning arrow, and also warm, it can hit you like thunder which may be it being in the air again, and amazingly it can build a bridge, but also break down walls, and save the day.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Gordon on January 08, 2023, 04:50:22 PM
It's also "all you need."
Title: Re: Love
Post by: SqueakyVoice on January 08, 2023, 06:43:33 PM
It's also "all you need."
Fortunately, love is all around and that's the power.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 08, 2023, 06:48:42 PM
Fortunately, love is all around and that's the power.
And love will find a way both to keep us together and to tear us apart again
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Gordon on January 08, 2023, 07:03:24 PM
And it hurts.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: SqueakyVoice on January 08, 2023, 07:23:09 PM
...sometimes, everybody.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 08, 2023, 07:28:10 PM
It's the drug and it makes my heart itch, but I can't buy it.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Gordon on January 08, 2023, 07:43:49 PM
And yet (according to Cole Porter) it is for sale.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: jeremyp on January 08, 2023, 07:54:22 PM
But it's a dangerous drug. You have to receive and you still can't get enough of the stuff. It's all you need but money can't buy it.

Title: Re: Love
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 08, 2023, 07:55:58 PM
It really is funny how love can be
Title: Re: Love
Post by: SqueakyVoice on January 08, 2023, 08:33:04 PM
It really is funny how love can be
It's a crazy little thing, but too much will kill you, everytime.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Gordon on January 08, 2023, 08:33:31 PM
But it is the sweetest thing.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Udayana on January 08, 2023, 08:45:35 PM
Get it while you can ...
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Alan Burns on January 08, 2023, 11:21:04 PM
From the Creator of our ability to Love:

John 15:13
“There is no greater love than this: that a person would lay down his life for the sake of his friends.”

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Sriram on January 09, 2023, 05:18:58 AM


You guys are probably talking about romance. Romance is magical and wonderful, no doubt. We are attracted and attached to someone. But that's not love.

Romance is a need, an impulse, a desire. It can drive one crazy. But it is all about oneself...not about the other person. When it breaks it is not always pretty.  Can be nasty, in fact.

And that is my point. We are under the illusion that we love someone when all the while we are merely satisfying our own need.  We justify our attractions and desires under the name of love. 'Love can't be bad, surely'! 

Title: Re: Love
Post by: Sriram on January 09, 2023, 06:25:18 AM
Not only does this section smack of sexism it also makes an entirely untrue statement that every person believes it is his "divine right".

I've never believed that even when I was in the throes of raging hormones, be that many years ago now.


I have corrected the article suitably. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Gordon on January 09, 2023, 06:46:12 AM
From the Creator of our ability to Love:

John 15:13
“There is no greater love than this: that a person would lay down his life for the sake of his friends.”

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Stop (the proselytising), in the name of love.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: ProfessorDavey on January 09, 2023, 09:05:01 AM
I have corrected the article suitably. Thanks.  :)
You appear to have corrected the article - but not suitably.

I note that there offending section is no longer overtly sexist - but it remains appalling, specifically:

... people believe that it is their divine right to pursue and win over their chosen mate (even by force or threat)"

I've highlighted the offending elements - what you are doing is justifying sexual assault, rape and aggravated rape. That is what is being implied.

I don't believe that, and nor I think do the vast, vast majority of people - regardless of whether it is justified as 'divine' right or just their right. And this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with love - this is criminal behaviour if actioned.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Free Willy on January 09, 2023, 01:33:01 PM
Stop (the proselytising), in the name of love.
Back to religion. Next i'll be bringing up Dawkins.....and they call that......Puppy love.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve H on January 09, 2023, 01:47:54 PM
But then again, what's it got to do with it, and what is it but a second-hand emotion?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Free Willy on January 09, 2023, 11:19:33 PM
When I got on the forum this morning I saw that Love is the latest thing.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Gordon on January 10, 2023, 07:23:44 AM
It's also a many-splendoured thing.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Aruntraveller on January 10, 2023, 08:46:38 AM
Which brings us right back to the question, What is Love?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve H on January 10, 2023, 08:47:32 AM
Which brings us right back to the question, What is Love?
A score of 0 in tennis.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 10, 2023, 09:55:21 AM
The Mathematics of Love: https://www.themarginalian.org/2015/02/18/hannah-fry-the-mathematics-of-love/
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Free Willy on January 10, 2023, 10:35:06 AM
The Mathematics of Love: https://www.themarginalian.org/2015/02/18/hannah-fry-the-mathematics-of-love/
After all is said and done one and one still is one, when we cry when we laugh I am half you are half.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Alan Burns on January 10, 2023, 11:00:55 PM
From 1 Corinthians:

Love is always patient and kind.
It is never jealous.
Love is never boastful or conceited.
It is never rude or selfish.
It does not take offence and is not resentful.
Love takes no pleasure in other people’s sins, but delights in the truth.
It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope, and to endure whatever comes.
Love does not come to an end.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 18, 2023, 07:30:44 PM
Article on Bertrand Russell on love


https://www.themarginalian.org/2015/05/18/bertrand-russell-what-i-believe-love/