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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2018, 07:37:47 PM »
The expense? The planning required? Not seeing any need for a do?

£46 at the registrar. Three weeks notice. 'Do' is optional.

Divorce takes about a year if marriage is irretrievably broken down and both consent (longer with no consent).
Grounds for being 'irretrievably broken down' are adultery, desertion and unreasonable behaviour.

SteveH: sigh.

Deep breath and remember 'small world':-).

Roses I'm surprised your aunt was allowed to marry her brother in law if she did so in 19thC. Maybe the law was different in Channel Islands. How was she 'forced' to do so?




 
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2018, 07:44:52 PM »
£46 at the registrar. Three weeks notice. 'Do' is optional.

Divorce takes about a year if marriage is irretrievably broken down and both consent (longer with no consent).
Grounds for being 'irretrievably broken down' are adultery, desertion and unreasonable behaviour.



Thanks, I think most of us are aware of this.

Look at your reasons. You are expecting one person to take the blame for a marriage break-up. Some will do this as a compromise but it’s a horrible way to do it. With cutbacks to the courts you can expect even a straightforward, non contested divorce to take 18 months. It dies t have to be adversarial.

The only purpose marriage serves is legal protection and that can be offered through civil partnership. If I commit to someone I’ll do so without wasting £46. That’s pay for a pizza or something. My word and his means everything; being shackled by something that belongs in the Middle Ages means fuck all.

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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2018, 07:46:50 PM »
Your words. I didn't say or imply that. Marriage is a serious commitment, and easy divorce devalues it.

A loveless relationship that causes everybody involved to be miserable is what devalues marriage.
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« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2018, 07:50:31 PM »
A loveless relationship that causes everybody involved to be miserable is what devalues marriage.

Well said.

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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2018, 08:12:11 PM »
I was merely pointing out that it doesn't have to cost a lot to get married nor does it necessarily take long to divorce. I wasn't advocating either!

Yes people can commit to eachother without any legal ties and plenty do.
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« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2018, 10:14:35 PM »
I was merely pointing out that it doesn't have to cost a lot to get married nor does it necessarily take long to divorce. I wasn't advocating either!

Yes people can commit to eachother without any legal ties and plenty do.

This is stating the obvious rather. I still don't know why Steve thinks that divorce should be hard, particurlay given how divorce currently works - it doesn't make it easy, just bitter.

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« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2018, 10:54:25 PM »
I get the impression that Steven believes in the institution of marriage and thinks people sometimes give up too easily. I don't know that for certain but that's my impression. He's not alone there. He is divorced I think, going from his ex wife thread in prayer section.

Divorce isn't something of which I have personal experience but know plenty who have. They seem to have managed it without too much difficulty. A couple weren't in any great hurry because they had no intention of remarrying, others wanted everything tidied up as quickly as possible. Most had given marriage a good go, one or two (school friends) married very young on short acquaintance and parted within two years, remarried a few years later, had children and were happy.

I understand the court fees for divorce are quite expensive.

Nowadays, when there is less societal pressure to get married, a couple must surely believe there is value in marriage to do it.

No regrets at all about being married but often wonder if I would bother with the formalities if I was in my twenties now. I honestly don't know (think husband would still want to).

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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2018, 10:56:34 PM »
I still don't know why Steve thinks that divorce should be hard
Because if it isn't, it devalues marriage, you know. Because self-evidently, nothing proclaims the noble sanctity of the hallowed institution of wedlock like keeping two miserable people together, possibly with confused and unhappy kids, for as long as possible.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2018, 10:57:52 PM »
Because if it isn't, it devalues marriage, you know. Because self-evidently, nothing proclaims the noble sanctity of the hallowed institution of wedlock like keeping two miserable people together, possibly with confused and unhappy kids, for as long as possible.
I didn't say it should be hard, just not easier than it is now. Laboured sarcasm is a pretty poor argument.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2018, 10:59:52 PM »
I didn't say it should be hard, just not easier than it is now. Laboured sarcasm is a pretty poor argument.
... and it still manages to be a better argument than your so far non-existent argument as to why divorce law shouldn't be comprehensively overhauled as per the OP.
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« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2018, 11:03:10 PM »
I didn't say it should be hard, just not easier than it is now. Laboured sarcasm is a pretty poor argument.

You said it was 'too easy'. Doesn't that mean you think it should be harder than it is?

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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2018, 11:04:45 PM »
You said it was 'too easy'. Doesn't that mean you think it should be harder than it is?
It's like #23 all over again ...
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2018, 08:56:20 AM »
A loveless relationship that causes everybody involved to be miserable is what devalues marriage.


So very true. When I was a kid I used to beg my parents to divorce. :o
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« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2018, 12:18:03 PM »
Marriages that hit a rocky patch can often be saved, but too-easy divorce makes that less likely.
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« Reply #64 on: September 18, 2018, 12:24:59 PM »
One should first see if a marriage is salvageable, but if it isn't the sooner a divorce takes place the better. My parents stayed together for 58 because they were religious, but it wasn't a good idea. They never got on, it was rare for them to be in agreement about anything, which wasn't pleasant for my siblings and I. :o
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« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2018, 12:27:03 PM »
It's OK though - they didn't devalue marriage.

Apparently.
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« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2018, 12:28:51 PM »
It's OK though - they didn't devalue marriage.

Apparently.
Laboured sarcasm isn't an argument.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2018, 12:32:10 PM »
Nor is repetition.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2018, 12:33:16 PM »
It's OK though - they didn't devalue marriage.

Apparently.


My parents idea of marriage was devalued by the way they carried on. Towards the end of his life my father checked himself into a care home as he couldn't stand being with my mother any longer.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2018, 12:41:42 PM »

My parents idea of marriage was devalued by the way they carried on. Towards the end of his life my father checked himself into a care home as he couldn't stand being with my mother any longer.
Ah, but the wonders of matrimony - that's the thing.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2018, 12:52:53 PM »
Ah, but the wonders of matrimony - that's the thing.

My husband and I will have been married for 50 years next August, we obviously are doing something right as we haven't murdered each other yet. ;D
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