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What Is God Made From?
« on: May 02, 2015, 01:47:48 PM »
Just something that came from the thoughts from another thread, what do Christians think God is made from; what constitutes the form of God?

If you respond with spirit then how did God manipulate the matter that forms the universe and our world? - as it clearly says in Genesis that he moulded the clay to create Adam.

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2015, 01:50:56 PM »
It's magic, innit.
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2015, 02:05:55 PM »
It's magic, innit.
That sarcastic comment raises another issue of how miracles effect their causation so...

Which Christians on this forum believe that miracles still happen today and will explain by what causal means God brings them about?
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015, 03:08:47 PM »
Just something that came from the thoughts from another thread, what do Christians think God is made from; what constitutes the form of God?

If you respond with spirit then how did God manipulate the matter that forms the universe and our world? - as it clearly says in Genesis that he moulded the clay to create Adam.
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2015, 03:19:17 PM »
The deity is a human construct, imo, so made from the part of the human brain engaged in imagination.

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2015, 04:15:53 PM »
Just something that came from the thoughts from another thread, what do Christians think God is made from; what constitutes the form of God?

If you respond with spirit then how did God manipulate the matter that forms the universe and our world? - as it clearly says in Genesis that he moulded the clay to create Adam.

It's a mystery.

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2015, 12:25:28 PM »
Just something that came from the thoughts from another thread, what do Christians think God is made from; what constitutes the form of God?
"What constitutes the form of God?" is better put than "What is God made from?" as the latter implies he was made. So, "What constitutes the form of God?"
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If you respond with spirit then how did God manipulate the matter that forms the universe and our world? - as it clearly says in Genesis that he moulded the clay to create Adam.
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.

Whether it is correct or not, I have always found it useful, at least conceptually, to think of God as being in another (extra) dimension. For simplicity's sake let's call that the 4th dimension.

TW will like this. If we imagine a 2 dimensional world, i.e. stuff moving within what mathematicians call a "plane", then a 3 dimensional object can interact with those 2 dimensional object. For example, if we imagine a couple of 2 dimensional people moving around in this plane, we can stop them from seeing each other or touching each other by just drawing a line between them, e.g. completely around person #1. However, a 3 dimensional person is totally at liberty to step over that line and is thus not constrained in the same way as the 2 dimensional people.

The 3 dimensional person could actually draw that line, i.e. interact with those 2 dimensional people. If that is similar to how it is with God and us, then God would have no problem manipulating/interacting with/ doing stuff in our world.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2015, 12:54:51 PM »
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2015, 05:19:48 PM »
Alien, how do you define 'spirit'?

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2015, 05:23:01 PM »
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.


"He's made of this stuff that I don't know what it is!" says Alan.  That's just childish nonsense.  If you don't know, there's nothing wrong with admitting it.
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2015, 05:29:48 PM »
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.

Don't you think that you ought to be able to define something before you purport to believe in that something? Otherwise what is it that you claim to believe in and how do you know?
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2015, 05:48:01 PM »

Which Christians on this forum believe that miracles still happen today and will explain by what causal means God brings them about?
If you believe that human beings have free will, then every act of human free will is a miracle because a free will event can't be defined by the deterministic chain reaction to previous events, otherwise it will not be free will.  So if the human soul can interact with the chemistry of our brains to initiate free will events, God (who is responsible for our gift of free will) must also have the power to interact with the chemistry of the universe.  Ample evidence of this interaction is found in the abundant life forms on this planet.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2015, 06:03:36 PM »
Dear Jack,

What's God made from?

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2015, 06:08:53 PM »
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2015, 06:13:13 PM »
Alien, how do you define 'spirit'?
Eh? I wrote, "God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know." It's what God is. Beyond that I struggle.
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2015, 06:15:26 PM »
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.


"He's made of this stuff that I don't know what it is!" says Alan.  That's just childish nonsense.  If you don't know, there's nothing wrong with admitting it.
No, I don't say, "He's made" of anything. I pointed that out in my first post. He is not flesh and bones, atoms and molecules. It's easier to say what he isn't than what he is.
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2015, 06:18:27 PM »
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.

Don't you think that you ought to be able to define something before you purport to believe in that something? Otherwise what is it that you claim to believe in and how do you know?
Should I need to be able to define "what constitutes the form of God"? If so, why? God is not flesh and blood, atoms and molecules like us, but I don't have to be able to describe his "form". It would be great to be able to do so, but there is the fact that if I, of finite human mind, were able to fully describe him, he would not be truly God.
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2015, 06:19:44 PM »
No, I don't say, "He's made" of anything.

What was that guff about being made of spirit then?

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I pointed that out in my first post. He is not flesh and bones, atoms and molecules. It's easier to say what he isn't than what he is.

It's easier to say you don't know, because you don't.
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2015, 06:21:42 PM »
Just something that came from the thoughts from another thread, what do Christians think God is made from; what constitutes the form of God?
"What constitutes the form of God?" is better put than "What is God made from?" as the latter implies he was made. So, "What constitutes the form of God?"
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If you respond with spirit then how did God manipulate the matter that forms the universe and our world? - as it clearly says in Genesis that he moulded the clay to create Adam.
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.

Whether it is correct or not, I have always found it useful, at least conceptually, to think of God as being in another (extra) dimension. For simplicity's sake let's call that the 4th dimension.

TW will like this. If we imagine a 2 dimensional world, i.e. stuff moving within what mathematicians call a "plane", then a 3 dimensional object can interact with those 2 dimensional object. For example, if we imagine a couple of 2 dimensional people moving around in this plane, we can stop them from seeing each other or touching each other by just drawing a line between them, e.g. completely around person #1. However, a 3 dimensional person is totally at liberty to step over that line and is thus not constrained in the same way as the 2 dimensional people.

The 3 dimensional person could actually draw that line, i.e. interact with those 2 dimensional people. If that is similar to how it is with God and us, then God would have no problem manipulating/interacting with/ doing stuff in our world.
Have to say that that is a pretty bad analogy. It implies that the third dimension is of the same nature as the other two so from this one would conclude that matter has another dimension that we don't inhabit. This brings to mind string theory and all that, but these have no consequences for our dimensions; not significant ones at least. I can't see how your analogy remotely addresses anything.

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2015, 06:27:00 PM »

Which Christians on this forum believe that miracles still happen today and will explain by what causal means God brings them about?
If you believe that human beings have free will, then every act of human free will is a miracle because a free will event can't be defined by the deterministic chain reaction to previous events, otherwise it will not be free will.  So if the human soul can interact with the chemistry of our brains to initiate free will events, God (who is responsible for our gift of free will) must also have the power to interact with the chemistry of the universe.  Ample evidence of this interaction is found in the abundant life forms on this planet.
Freewill does not exist, so that nips that one in the bud. Also, your idea requires the unqualified element that you name as God. Empirical evidence required.

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2015, 06:43:46 PM »
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2015, 06:48:38 PM »
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.

Don't you think that you ought to be able to define something before you purport to believe in that something? Otherwise what is it that you claim to believe in and how do you know?
Should I need to be able to define "what constitutes the form of God"? If so, why? God is not flesh and blood, atoms and molecules like us, but I don't have to be able to describe his "form". It would be great to be able to do so, but there is the fact that if I, of finite human mind, were able to fully describe him, he would not be truly God.
So your belief in God is based on a book and your 'infallible' logic?

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2015, 06:59:46 PM »
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.

Don't you think that you ought to be able to define something before you purport to believe in that something? Otherwise what is it that you claim to believe in and how do you know?
Should I need to be able to define "what constitutes the form of God"? If so, why? God is not flesh and blood, atoms and molecules like us, but I don't have to be able to describe his "form". It would be great to be able to do so, but there is the fact that if I, of finite human mind, were able to fully describe him, he would not be truly God.

And if you were able to partially describe him, he would not be truly God, either.

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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2015, 07:07:28 PM »
No, I don't say, "He's made" of anything.

What was that guff about being made of spirit then?
I didn't say he was made of spirit.
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I pointed that out in my first post. He is not flesh and bones, atoms and molecules. It's easier to say what he isn't than what he is.

It's easier to say you don't know, because you don't.
Like in, "...how you define that exactly, I don't know." as in my first post?
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Re: What Is God Made From?
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2015, 07:08:36 PM »
Just something that came from the thoughts from another thread, what do Christians think God is made from; what constitutes the form of God?
"What constitutes the form of God?" is better put than "What is God made from?" as the latter implies he was made. So, "What constitutes the form of God?"
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If you respond with spirit then how did God manipulate the matter that forms the universe and our world? - as it clearly says in Genesis that he moulded the clay to create Adam.
God is spirit, though how you define that exactly, I don't know.

Whether it is correct or not, I have always found it useful, at least conceptually, to think of God as being in another (extra) dimension. For simplicity's sake let's call that the 4th dimension.

TW will like this. If we imagine a 2 dimensional world, i.e. stuff moving within what mathematicians call a "plane", then a 3 dimensional object can interact with those 2 dimensional object. For example, if we imagine a couple of 2 dimensional people moving around in this plane, we can stop them from seeing each other or touching each other by just drawing a line between them, e.g. completely around person #1. However, a 3 dimensional person is totally at liberty to step over that line and is thus not constrained in the same way as the 2 dimensional people.

The 3 dimensional person could actually draw that line, i.e. interact with those 2 dimensional people. If that is similar to how it is with God and us, then God would have no problem manipulating/interacting with/ doing stuff in our world.
Have to say that that is a pretty bad analogy. It implies that the third dimension is of the same nature as the other two so from this one would conclude that matter has another dimension that we don't inhabit. This brings to mind string theory and all that, but these have no consequences for our dimensions; not significant ones at least. I can't see how your analogy remotely addresses anything.
OK, I shall wheel out my Simpsons analogy next. When I get time, probably Wednesday.
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