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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2015, 09:34:34 AM »
The 'Christian understanding' is as long as a piece of string depending on which Christian is telling it! ::)
The 'Christian understanding' may be 'as long as a piece of string' if you are referring to the vocabulary used, Floo but, as your daughter will no doubt tell you, the mainstream understanding is pretty consistent.

Why do you keep bringing my daughter into this, please don't! My thoughts are my own, I don't need people to tell me how to think about matters of religion. Anyway the thoughts among those claiming to be Christians on this forum certainly aren't consistent.

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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2015, 09:57:22 AM »
Presumably Hope brought your daughter into 'it' because she's Christian - not because of any vocation.
I know many Christians who belong to many denomination.
Every one of them, if they have even a rudimentary grasp of the Gospel, will give the same answer as Alien, Hope and I.
Some might use theology gobbledegook, others churchy lingo - still others try to put it into plain English, but in essence, the answer is the same.
Can you show evidence to the contrary, please?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2015, 11:06:11 AM »
Regarding the OP I just have to agree with Alien, Hope, Corrie, Anchorman and ad_orientum
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2015, 11:13:46 AM »
Presumably Hope brought your daughter into 'it' because she's Christian - not because of any vocation.
I know many Christians who belong to many denomination.
Every one of them, if they have even a rudimentary grasp of the Gospel, will give the same answer as Alien, Hope and I.
Some might use theology gobbledegook, others churchy lingo - still others try to put it into plain English, but in essence, the answer is the same.
Can you show evidence to the contrary, please?

We are talking about what I think about matters of faith, not what my children think, besides which religion is never discussed in our home.

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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2015, 11:17:02 AM »
So, that'll be a 'no' then.
You can't show any examples to the contrary, then.
I didn't think so.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2015, 11:17:57 AM »

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10929.0



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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2015, 11:20:50 AM »
Why?
The Faith Sharing Area is not a place for open debate. This board is.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2015, 11:31:28 AM »
Presumably Hope brought your daughter into 'it' because she's Christian - not because of any vocation.
I know many Christians who belong to many denomination.
Every one of them, if they have even a rudimentary grasp of the Gospel, will give the same answer as Alien, Hope and I.
Some might use theology gobbledegook, others churchy lingo - still others try to put it into plain English, but in essence, the answer is the same.
Can you show evidence to the contrary, please?

Universalist Christians would give a different answer, there are a few more, Calvinists maybe? 
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2015, 11:48:50 AM »

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10929.0



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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2015, 11:50:57 AM »
Why?
The Faith Sharing Area is not a place for open debate. This board is.
It was my suggestion. ST and Floo are messing it up. Sassy asked, "WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?"

The restriction on the Faith-Sharing Board means that anyone can take part, but it does not require us to demonstrate the existence of God each time we post, as sometimes occurs on this board. Sassy, in her OP, was aiming her question at those who consider themselves believers as she seems concerned that we have misunderstood God, e.g. misunderstood the Scriptures. It seems to me to be better suited to the FS board.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2015, 11:51:18 AM »

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10929.0



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See what I mean, AM? Sassy hasn't even put her position, yet Floo is making such claims. If people like Floo were to act like adults, it might be different.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2015, 12:24:40 PM »

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10929.0



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Dear, dear aren't things going your way? ;D ;D ;D
See what I mean, AM? Sassy hasn't even put her position, yet Floo is making such claims. If people like Floo were to act like adults, it might be different.

I hadn't seen much evidence of your adult behaviour, my dear! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2015, 12:48:39 PM »

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10929.0



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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2015, 01:38:00 PM »

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10929.0



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See what I mean, AM? Sassy hasn't even put her position, yet Floo is making such claims. If people like Floo were to act like adults, it might be different.




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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2015, 01:40:50 PM »
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What on earth gives you the impression that the OP was addressed to me?  :o
The thread title is "WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?"

Correct ,the thread title is as you state, however Sass specifically asks in the opening post...


I thought I would ask what the believers actually believe saves them.

What on earth gives you the impression that the OP was addressed to me, old fruit?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2015, 05:29:34 PM »
...

What on earth gives you the impression that the OP was addressed to me?  :o
The thread title is "WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?"

Correct ,the thread title is as you state, however Sass specifically asks in the opening post...


I thought I would ask what the believers actually believe saves them.

What on earth gives you the impression that the OP was addressed to me, old fruit?
I plead insanity.
What on earth gives you the impression that you should be taking part in a thread for believers (on the wrong board)?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2015, 06:26:00 PM »


Universalist Christians would give a different answer, there are a few more, Calvinists maybe?
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Maybe 'universalist' Christians might.
You'd have to ask one.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2015, 06:49:54 PM »


Universalist Christians would give a different answer, there are a few more, Calvinists maybe?
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Maybe 'universalist' Christians might.
You'd have to ask one.

Evasion noted, you remain refuted.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2015, 06:52:27 PM »

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10929.0



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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2015, 07:30:27 PM »


Universalist Christians would give a different answer, there are a few more, Calvinists maybe?
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Maybe 'universalist' Christians might.
You'd have to ask one.

Evasion noted, you remain refuted.
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Eh?
Where exactly is my refutation?
I'm not a universalist, so I can't answer for them.

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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2015, 07:52:03 PM »


Universalist Christians would give a different answer, there are a few more, Calvinists maybe?
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Maybe 'universalist' Christians might.
You'd have to ask one.

Evasion noted, you remain refuted.
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Eh?
Where exactly is my refutation?
I'm not a universalist, so I can't answer for them.


Aliens says salvation comes from a few different points, you claim all Christians would say the same thing, universalists don't, this refutes your claim.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2015, 08:28:26 PM »
... universalists don't, this refutes your claim.
But are Universalists Christians, jakswan?  In other words do any of the ideas that characterise Universalism match what Jesus taught in the Bible?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2015, 08:33:58 PM »
... universalists don't, this refutes your claim.
But are Universalists Christians, jakswan?  In other words do any of the ideas that characterise Universalism match what Jesus taught in the Bible?
If a Christian is someone who has recognised their need to be saved, then that would surely count universalists out, I would suggest.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2015, 08:34:37 PM »
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Aliens says salvation comes from a few different points...
Eh?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2015, 09:17:32 PM »


Universalist Christians would give a different answer, there are a few more, Calvinists maybe?
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Maybe 'universalist' Christians might.
You'd have to ask one.

Evasion noted, you remain refuted.
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Eh?
Where exactly is my refutation?
I'm not a universalist, so I can't answer for them.


Aliens says salvation comes from a few different points, you claim all Christians would say the same thing, universalists don't, this refutes your claim.


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I'd have serious doubts about Christian universalism.
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