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WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« on: September 29, 2015, 01:02:56 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2015, 01:38:55 PM »
Is this where we find out if there is a wrong kind of 'saved'?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2015, 02:55:45 PM »
;D ;D ;D
Grow up, Floo. If you don't want to take part in the discussion, go and play elsewhere.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2015, 02:58:14 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.
Fundamentally, a recognition by that person that the person is a sinner who deserves God's judgement and wants to turn back to God's way (repentance). They ask God to forgive them (Jesus having died on the cross for them to make it possible), relying on him for forgiveness (rather than trying to earn their way into God's favour).

How would you put it, Sassy?

Would this not be better in the faith-sharing area?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2015, 03:00:04 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.
Fundamentally, a recognition by that person that the person is a sinner who deserves God's judgement and wants to turn back to God's way (repentance). They ask God to forgive them (Jesus having died on the cross for them to make it possible), relying on him for forgiveness (rather than trying to earn their way into God's favour).

How would you put it, Sassy?

No one, not even the worst of us, deserves any judgement on the part of the Biblical deity as its evil deeds are worse than anything any human has achieved!
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2015, 03:01:36 PM »

 ;D ;D ;D


Grow up, Floo. If you don't want to take part in the discussion, go and play elsewhere.


Take part in a discussion with Sassy!

Don't be silly!

Sassy deesn't "discuss" anything!

All she does is to make categorical statements that are expected to be accepted without question as being the one and only truth and dismisses everybody else's beliefs as rubbish and twists history and facts into a double-helix to prove her point of view.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2015, 03:29:19 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.
Fundamentally, a recognition by that person that the person is a sinner who deserves God's judgement and wants to turn back to God's way (repentance). They ask God to forgive them (Jesus having died on the cross for them to make it possible), relying on him for forgiveness (rather than trying to earn their way into God's favour).

How would you put it, Sassy?

No one, not even the worst of us, deserves any judgement on the part of the Biblical deity as its evil deeds are worse than anything any human has achieved!
That wasn't what I asked and you are not Sassy.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2015, 04:19:10 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.
Fundamentally, a recognition by that person that the person is a sinner who deserves God's judgement and wants to turn back to God's way (repentance). They ask God to forgive them (Jesus having died on the cross for them to make it possible), relying on him for forgiveness (rather than trying to earn their way into God's favour).

How would you put it, Sassy?

No one, not even the worst of us, deserves any judgement on the part of the Biblical deity as its evil deeds are worse than anything any human has achieved!
That wasn't what I asked and you are not Sassy.

I never thought I was Sassy, otherwise I would be jumping off the nearest cliff in terror! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2015, 04:38:18 PM »
No one, not even the worst of us, deserves any judgement on the part of the Biblical deity as its evil deeds are worse than anything any human has achieved!
Yet another completely unsubstantiated assertion from Floo.  How many is that this year, now?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2015, 04:39:34 PM »
No one, not even the worst of us, deserves any judgement on the part of the Biblical deity as its evil deeds are worse than anything any human has achieved!
Yet another completely unsubstantiated assertion from Floo.  How many is that this year, now?

You obviously have never read the Bible! ::) Anyway that a good one coming from you who makes unsubstantiated assertions most of the time where your belief system is concerned!
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2015, 04:40:12 PM »
That wasn't what I asked and you are not Sassy.
I'm beginning to wonder whether they are two sides of the same coin, though, Alien.   ;)   :P   ::)
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2015, 04:41:33 PM »
You obviously have never read the Bible! ::)
It's precisely because I have read the Bible that I've questioned your assertion, Floo. 
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2015, 04:42:05 PM »
That wasn't what I asked and you are not Sassy.
I'm beginning to wonder whether they are two sides of the same coin, though, Alien.   ;)   :P   ::)

You mean like the deity and Satan? Satan being the goody and the deity the baddy!  ;D 
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2015, 05:24:18 PM »
You obviously have never read the Bible! ::)
It's precisely because I have read the Bible that I've questioned your assertion, Floo.

I notice that you have not replied to the OP though.
Not as brave as Alien?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2015, 06:11:04 PM »
You obviously have never read the Bible! ::)
It's precisely because I have read the Bible that I've questioned your assertion, Floo.

I notice that you have not replied to the OP though.
Not as brave as Alien?
Why would Hope need to be brave to reply. He might express it slightly differently or even pick up on something I have missed, but I don't think bravery comes into it any more than the colour of his eyes.

How about you replying to the OP, old fruit?
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 06:56:25 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.

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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2015, 07:04:06 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.

Grace.
Yes, that is fundamentally what it is.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2015, 08:04:23 PM »
Yep, by grace through faith.


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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2015, 09:27:15 PM »
I asked that because it is clear from some of the things thrown out on this forum that some believers have changed the truth and substituted others.

As the bible warns against putting burdens on others I thought I would ask
what the believers actually believe saves them.

Grace.

Yep.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2015, 10:42:28 PM »
I notice that you have not replied to the OP though.
This isn't the first thread on this topic, Seb; I've given my tuppenceworth in the past.  Alien and the others have summed up the Christian understanding very well, and whilst I might have used slightly different vocabulary, I essentially wouldn't have been saying anything different.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2015, 10:57:11 PM »
You obviously have never read the Bible! ::)
It's precisely because I have read the Bible that I've questioned your assertion, Floo.

I notice that you have not replied to the OP though.
Not as brave as Alien?
Why would Hope need to be brave to reply. He might express it slightly differently or even pick up on something I have missed, but I don't think bravery comes into it any more than the colour of his eyes.
Well I thought that he might not wish to incur a scriptural master class from Sass as to how wrong he (and you) might be.
Only time will tell!


How about you replying to the OP, old fruit?

What on earth gives you the impression that the OP was addressed to me?  :o
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2015, 08:42:39 AM »
I notice that you have not replied to the OP though.
This isn't the first thread on this topic, Seb; I've given my tuppenceworth in the past.  Alien and the others have summed up the Christian understanding very well, and whilst I might have used slightly different vocabulary, I essentially wouldn't have been saying anything different.

The 'Christian understanding' is as long as a piece of string depending on which Christian is telling it! ::)
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2015, 08:47:32 AM »
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What on earth gives you the impression that the OP was addressed to me?  :o
The thread title is "WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?" That is what this thread is about, yet you and Floo have come in and waffled off-topic.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2015, 08:48:00 AM »
I notice that you have not replied to the OP though.
This isn't the first thread on this topic, Seb; I've given my tuppenceworth in the past.  Alien and the others have summed up the Christian understanding very well, and whilst I might have used slightly different vocabulary, I essentially wouldn't have been saying anything different.

The 'Christian understanding' is as long as a piece of string depending on which Christian is telling it! ::)
Go away then and do something useful rather than wreck this thread.
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Re: WHAT makes a person saved in Christ Jesus?
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2015, 08:55:51 AM »
The 'Christian understanding' is as long as a piece of string depending on which Christian is telling it! ::)
The 'Christian understanding' may be 'as long as a piece of string' if you are referring to the vocabulary used, Floo but, as your daughter will no doubt tell you, the mainstream understanding is pretty consistent.
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