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Requirements for the messiah
« on: October 12, 2015, 10:33:48 AM »
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2015, 11:04:28 AM »
Unfortunately He didn't which both you & I already know but certain here turn a blind eye-ear to ?!?!?!?

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 11:05:03 AM »
That is yet to come when our Lord returns. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth and all will be one in God.
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 11:10:25 AM »
And just HOW long have 'you lot' been saying & thinking this, mmmm ???????

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 11:41:07 AM »
Unfortunately He didn't which both you & I already know but certain here turn a blind eye-ear to ?!?!?!?

 Rose you are all over the place are you a Christian if you could answer that it might help to untangle so much of the nonsense you have at the moment.

Also you might ponder why is a third temple necessary.

And why do all Jews need to go back to Israel.

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2015, 11:47:14 AM »
Unfortunately He didn't which both you & I already know but certain here turn a blind eye-ear to ?!?!?!?

 Rose you are all over the place are you a Christian if you could answer that it might help to untangle so much of the nonsense you have at the moment.

Also you might ponder why is a third temple necessary.

And why do all Jews need to go back to Israel.

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 11:47:21 AM »
This is some of them

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Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple

Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel

Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."

Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world—on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"




How did Jesus fulfil the above?  Especially the two  in bold

This is why Jews don't accept Jesus as the messiah


How do Christians explain that there was no world peace in Jesus's time or any time, really?

Oh, and btw, the Jews do not accept Christ because they have a veil upon their hearts which make them blind to the scriptures. Only once they acknowledge Christ will they understand them properly. Until then they are cut off from the one true Israel of God, which is the Church.
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 11:48:29 AM »
This is some of them

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Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple

Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel

Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."

Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world—on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"




How did Jesus fulfil the above?  Especially the two  in bold

This is why Jews don't accept Jesus as the messiah


How do Christians explain that there was no world peace in Jesus's time or any time, really?

Oh, and btw, the Jews do not accept Christ because they have a veil upon their hearts which make them blind to the scriptures. Only once they acknowledge Christ will they understand them properly. Until then they are cut off from the one true Israel of God, which is the Church.

You have just made that one up! ::)
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2015, 11:50:43 AM »
This is some of them

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Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple

Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel

Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."

Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world—on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"




How did Jesus fulfil the above?  Especially the two  in bold

This is why Jews don't accept Jesus as the messiah


How do Christians explain that there was no world peace in Jesus's time or any time, really?

Oh, and btw, the Jews do not accept Christ because they have a veil upon their hearts which make them blind to the scriptures. Only once they acknowledge Christ will they understand them properly. Until then they are cut off from the one true Israel of God, which is the Church.

You have just made that one up! ::)

Nope. Just read the scriptures, especially the epistles of St Paul.
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2015, 11:52:09 AM »
And HE was barking ??!?!?!?  8) ;)

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2015, 11:55:41 AM »
This is some of them

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Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple

Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel

Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."

Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world—on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"




How did Jesus fulfil the above?  Especially the two  in bold

This is why Jews don't accept Jesus as the messiah


How do Christians explain that there was no world peace in Jesus's time or any time, really?

Oh, and btw, the Jews do not accept Christ because they have a veil upon their hearts which make them blind to the scriptures. Only once they acknowledge Christ will they understand them properly. Until then they are cut off from the one true Israel of God, which is the Church.

You have just made that one up! ::)

Nope. Just read the scriptures, especially the epistles of St Paul.

I don't take much of what the guy Paul has to say seriously, he was a bit of a twit in my opinion, and that is being polite!
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2015, 12:20:35 PM »
Unfortunately He didn't which both you & I already know but certain here turn a blind eye-ear to ?!?!?!?

 Rose you are all over the place are you a Christian if you could answer that it might help to untangle so much of the nonsense you have at the moment.

Also you might ponder why is a third temple necessary.

And why do all Jews need to go back to Israel.

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No idea, TW.

I'm much more interested in the last two in bold.

Those would have an impact on my life, the first two wouldn't.

So are probably not relevant to me as an individual.

I don't think I am a Christian, but am quite happy to discuss different aspects of Christianity but I don't accept theology because I have some issues with the logic of it and think it's just people's thoughts.

 Rose if you are going to start post/thread,please pick a subject you know something about.

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2015, 12:42:28 PM »
Unfortunately He didn't which both you & I already know but certain here turn a blind eye-ear to ?!?!?!?

 Rose you are all over the place are you a Christian if you could answer that it might help to untangle so much of the nonsense you have at the moment.

Also you might ponder why is a third temple necessary.

And why do all Jews need to go back to Israel.

                  ~TW~


No idea, TW.

I'm much more interested in the last two in bold.

Those would have an impact on my life, the first two wouldn't.

So are probably not relevant to me as an individual.

I don't think I am a Christian, but am quite happy to discuss different aspects of Christianity but I don't accept theology because I have some issues with the logic of it and think it's just people's thoughts.

 Rose if you are going to start post/thread,please pick a subject you know something about.

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 I do know something about it, because I went and found out what the Jews expected of a Messiah.

I'm not going to accept Christian theology uncritically unlike many Christians.

Nor am I going to be intimidated by Christians who believe in their own theology more than anything else and who would like to silence me.

 so rose then you must accept your facts  ;D are in a muddle you have told a third temple is required and you do not know why,you have told us the jews need to return to Israel and you do not know why.

 And in the last book of the bible which is a blessing for those that understand it {like me}------  3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Also one group of jews are are called a synagogue of Satan-----! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Strange these people were Jews but Jesus says they are not,did you ask your Jewish friends why then also we read ,all Israel is not Israel.------It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.Romans 9:6.

So Rose a third temple !no :) do a bit more study or should I say start again.

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2015, 12:53:04 PM »
That is yet to come when our Lord returns. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth and all will be one in God.

So until he does his magic with a new earth he could be just another in a very long line claiming to be the messiah.
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2015, 01:01:55 PM »
That is yet to come when our Lord returns. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth and all will be one in God.

So until he does his magic with a new earth he could be just another in a very long line claiming to be the messiah.

 Well looking at it from a very,very,long you might come to that conclusion,but a closer look may say and does say something different.I would disagree with Hope when he says  all will be one in God.For these people ---16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

 So not all will be one.

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2015, 01:22:57 PM »
Sorry /rose muddled is the word where you are concerned these are the words of Jesus for the Jews========= 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Also we can add READ IT

                                    23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2015, 01:31:14 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2015, 01:42:45 PM »
Oh dear! Don't demonise the Jews in your attempt to glorify your own theology.

          Rose these are the words of Jesus dont blame me also check this out

                       
http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2015, 01:53:28 PM »
Oh dear! Don't demonise the Jews in your attempt to glorify your own theology.

          Rose these are the words of Jesus dont blame me also check this out

                       
http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm

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There is NO evidence Jesus said any of that. The gospels were written many years after Jesus died.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2015, 02:02:29 PM »
Oh dear! Don't demonise the Jews in your attempt to glorify your own theology.

          Rose these are the words of Jesus dont blame me also check this out

                       
http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm

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Do you really think he was talking about ALL Jews?

Really?

I think his words have been taken out of context.

I don't think he ever meant it as a criticism of ALL Jews.

That sounds like it was made up by various churches to justify themselves and spread antisemitism.

 Rose you are making me tired read what he said in scripture,try to stand on your own two feet we cant hold your hand through life everyday.

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2015, 02:04:05 PM »
Oh dear! Don't demonise the Jews in your attempt to glorify your own theology.

          Rose these are the words of Jesus dont blame me also check this out

                       
http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm

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Do you really think he was talking about ALL Jews?

Really?

I think his words have been taken out of context.

I don't think he ever meant it as a criticism of ALL Jews.

That sounds like it was made up by various churches to justify themselves and spread antisemitism.

 Rose you are making me tired read what he said in scripture,try to stand on your own two feet we cant hold your hand through life everyday.

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Why?

Why do you think the scriptures are accurate?

Why do you ignore other holy books inspired by other gods?
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2015, 02:04:32 PM »
Oh dear! Don't demonise the Jews in your attempt to glorify your own theology.

          Rose these are the words of Jesus dont blame me also check this out

                       
http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm

                             ~TW~

Do you really think he was talking about ALL Jews?

Really?

I think his words have been taken out of context.

I don't think he ever meant it as a criticism of ALL Jews.

That sounds like it was made up by various churches to justify themselves and spread antisemitism.

 Rose you are making me tired read what he said in scripture,try to stand on your own two feet we cant hold your hand through life everyday.

       ~TW~

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2015, 04:09:40 PM »
Oh dear! Don't demonise the Jews in your attempt to glorify your own theology.

          Rose these are the words of Jesus dont blame me also check this out

                       
http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm

                             ~TW~

Do you really think he was talking about ALL Jews?

Really?

I think his words have been taken out of context.

I don't think he ever meant it as a criticism of ALL Jews.

That sounds like it was made up by various churches to justify themselves and spread antisemitism.

 Rose you are making me tired read what he said in scripture,try to stand on your own two feet we cant hold your hand through life everyday.

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Tired?

Perhaps you need to go to bed earlier ~TW~

I doubt if it is me, making you tired.

Perhaps it's the strain of thinking for yourself  ;)

I am reading scripture and I can see what says, I've also spent some time looking at the Jewish context for it.

I don't need anyone to hold my hand ~TW~

I'm perfectly capable of trotting off to this and that and a Synagogue/church, listening to the different arguments , and reading up on other sources for myself.

In fact, on such matters I wouldn't allow another person to " hold my hand" some things in life you have to look into and make up your own mind  about in your own way.


A lot of theology is designed to stop you doing that.

Mainly because with a theology you have a tailor made answer, which someone else thought of, so you don't need to question it, you just concentrate on believing it.

But it is always someone else's reasoning as opposed to using your own ( perhaps that explains the tiredness)

That's just not acceptable to me, (someone else thinking it out for me) I like sorting out my own answers.

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 Good so when you have the answers get back to me.

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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2015, 06:28:04 PM »
Here's a requirement to ponder, He had to come before the second temple was destroyed.
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Re: Requirements for the messiah
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2015, 09:51:19 PM »
Unfortunately He didn't which both you & I already know but certain here turn a blind eye-ear to ?!?!?!?

 Rose you are all over the place

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