Author Topic: Please pray for these people. It is urgent a mother's life could be lost (2)  (Read 656 times)

Owlswing

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Whilst I offer my wholehearted support (not that a Pagan's support is likely to be welcome, if past experience is to be believed) to those praying for this lady (or anyone else in a similarly horrendous situation), I would ask:

If the Christian god decides NOT to help this mother (or anyone else in a similarly horrendous situation) - what reasons for his failure to help will be offered to the non-Christians for his making that negative decision?
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Matt, unfortunately we don't know the full extent of this lady's injuries; nor do we know the extent of their long-term consequences. I think you would agree that it could be the case that allowing her to die comfortably would be the positive result.

Now, I'm not suggesting that anyone pray that she die - but I seldom pray purely for a cure for someone, especially when I know as little information as I know here.  Instead I pray that God will guide the doctors involved in a person's care to know the right thing to do at any given time - but where the medics have already given up any hope (and of course that happens on rather more occasions than some would like to accept) I pray that God will do what is best for the person and people involved - the patient and their family.

I think that the idea that 'No' is necessarily a bad response is faulty; how often does a parent say 'no' to a child's request because they know (or at worst, believe) that saying 'yes' will place that child in danger or at risk?
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Matt, unfortunately we don't know the full extent of this lady's injuries; nor do we know the extent of their long-term consequences. I think you would agree that it could be the case that allowing her to die comfortably would be the positive result.


A positive result for whom? For her? For her children? For your god?

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Now, I'm not suggesting that anyone pray that she die - but I seldom pray purely for a cure for someone, especially when I know as little information as I know here.  Instead I pray that God will guide the doctors involved in a person's care to know the right thing to do at any given time - but where the medics have already given up any hope (and of course that happens on rather more occasions than some would like to accept) I pray that God will do what is best for the person and people involved - the patient and their family.

I think that the idea that 'No' is necessarily a bad response is faulty; how often does a parent say 'no' to a child's request because they know (or at worst, believe) that saying 'yes' will place that child in danger or at risk?

Bloody Hell, Man, just what the hell are you on?

The woman is already in danger! What more danger can she be put in?

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A positive result for whom? For her? For her children? For your god?
Matt, I'm sure you've read some of the stories about people travelling to Switzerland to die at Dignitas.  Often the family say that whilst sad at losing their relative, they are also happy that they are no longer suffering from pain, frustration, etc., etc.  Perhaps you don't fully understand that God can understand that as well as any doctor or realtive and feels that it would be kinder to allow the person to die

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Bloody Hell, Man, just what the hell are you on?
It's called humane-ness

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The woman is already in danger! What more danger can she be put in?
She could be forced to continue to live even though all the conditions and circumstances argue against making that decision.
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A positive result for whom? For her? For her children? For your god?
Matt, I'm sure you've read some of the stories about people travelling to Switzerland to die at Dignitas.  Often the family say that whilst sad at losing their relative, they are also happy that they are no longer suffering from pain, frustration, etc., etc.  Perhaps you don't fully understand that God can understand that as well as any doctor or realtive and feels that it would be kinder to allow the person to die

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Bloody Hell, Man, just what the hell are you on?
It's called humane-ness

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The woman is already in danger! What more danger can she be put in?
She could be forced to continue to live even though all the conditions and circumstances argue against making that decision.

I give up on you! I really do!

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. . . some of the stories about people travelling to Switzerland to die at Dignitas.


This is your usual stupiud squirming. The peoiple who go to Dignitas have gone BY THIER OWN DECISION!

This woman is in no position to make that decision!

I cannot find words to describe my contempt for your attitude to this woman's situation and that of her family!

You now join those whom I ignore on this Forum.
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What sort of deity would be cruel enough to prolong the suffering of this poor woman and her family? If it was capable of curing her it should have done so immediately. Stringing them along with false hope would be WICKED!
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