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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2015, 01:51:24 PM »
As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.

NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!

NM's posts aren't very comprehensible that is true. However, NM doesn't make unpleasant personal comments when we disagree with him unlike another 'Christian' poster who invariably makes crass rude comments. They don't appear to be able to put their POV over in a coherent way, possibly because they are intellectually impaired in some way.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2015, 01:53:00 PM »
Resurrection then, is a skill that is only achievable by following some very special laws carved out of that knowledge…Laws that are embedded in a science that Almighty God calls ‘Righteousness’.
Not sure that I'd describe resurrection as a 'skill', NM.  Rather I'd call it a gift of grace.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2015, 01:53:04 PM »
We are mere humans, SusanDoris, and it is absurdly pretentious to think we know for certainty anything about God
Including its existence?
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2015, 01:55:19 PM »
NM there is no proof to back up your less than credible statement! ::)
So, that means that you and NM share something in common - holding beliefs that have no scientifically testable evidence, Floo.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2015, 01:58:05 PM »
As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.

NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!

No, I've never been able to figure out a word that NickMarks says, but I like reading some of it as a way of letting my brain go off the grid for a bit. I'm glad he's back.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2015, 01:58:52 PM »
As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.

NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!

That simply means you have no interest in Biblical truth Susan. What it means to me is that on top of man's modern science is a continuation that unifies all science and it is this science that Jesus was teaching us. If you don"t think that an advanced science can relieve us of all our ailments then why do we contribute so much of out resources to their coffers??

If a star can emit energy for billions of years why can"t we harness some of that raw energy and live just as long?? Jesus Christ says we can.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2015, 01:59:24 PM »
That AssertotronTM's really getting a work-out today, isn't it. Why stop at just 'resurrection', Islam's offering to throw in sexually-pure raisins... or something...
Why stop at religion, O?  If one was able to look through the whole archive of this board, we would find that every single post on the topic of religious and non-religious beliefs would be nothing more than assertions with zero scientically-provable evidence to support them.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2015, 02:01:07 PM »
NM there is no proof to back up your less than credible statement! ::)
So, that means that you and NM share something in common - holding beliefs that have no scientifically testable evidence, Floo.

Well you can't scientifically prove Jesus resurrected can you, so you are making a claim with no scientifically testable evidence, aren't you?
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2015, 02:02:25 PM »
As a matter of interest, what do you, BA and NM, know, really know, objectively and true-for-all, about God? I refer here to the Christian God, not any of the others that have been invented.

NM's posts make no sense to me :) but the idea of resurrection is a 100% non-starter!

That simply means you have no interest in Biblical truth Susan. What it means to me is that on top of man"s modern science is a continuation that unifies all science and it is this science that Jesus was teaching us. If you don"t think that an advanced science can relieve us of all our ailments then why do we contribute so much of out resources to their coffers??

If a star can emit energy for billions of years wh can"t we harness some of that raw energy and live just as long...Jesus Christ says we can.

There is NOTHING scientific about the less than credible claims in the Bible like the resurrection!
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2015, 02:05:32 PM »
That AssertotronTM's really getting a work-out today, isn't it. Why stop at just 'resurrection', Islam's offering to throw in sexually-pure raisins... or something...
Why stop at religion, O?  If one was able to look through the whole archive of this board, we would find that every single post on the topic of religious and non-religious beliefs would be nothing more than assertions with zero scientically-provable evidence to support them.

Still haven't quite grasped that whole 'burden of proof' concept, have you Hope? You make the claim, we remain skeptical until and unless you can back your claim with a methodology: logic, scientific enquiry, mathematics... choose whatever methodology you like, accept any inherent limitations with it, and crack on.

Science does not prove negatives - indeed it's difficult in most cases to disprove a negative via any means. All claims remain mere assertions until and unless you can back them with something.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2015, 02:27:15 PM »
That AssertotronTM's really getting a work-out today, isn't it. Why stop at just 'resurrection', Islam's offering to throw in sexually-pure raisins... or something...
Why stop at religion, O?  If one was able to look through the whole archive of this board, we would find that every single post on the topic of religious and non-religious beliefs would be nothing more than assertions with zero scientically-provable evidence to support them.

Still haven't quite grasped that whole 'burden of proof' concept, have you Hope? You make the claim, we remain skeptical until and unless you can back your claim with a methodology: logic, scientific enquiry, mathematics... choose whatever methodology you like, accept any inherent limitations with it, and crack on.

Science does not prove negatives - indeed it's difficult in most cases to disprove a negative via any means. All claims remain mere assertions until and unless you can back them with something.

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He's been on about this for years and he thinks he has proof that god exists and he also thinks he has presented this proof on this forum, never mind not one member has said that they have seen the said evidence.

I'm not sure where you stand on this but; I don't believe there are any gods, belief doesn't come into it, it's just that I have no reason to even consider anything about this idea some people have about gods, I'm just an ordinary person; Hope is totally unable to get this and it looks like he never has or will be able to get it. 

I suppose there will always be those that are totally indoctrinated with all sorts of ideas.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2015, 02:40:16 PM »
Nice to see you alive and kicking, NM. I greet your return to these boards with some anticipation that your posts will lead to some entertaining responses. I quite enjoy at times being underwhelmed by your ideas.

Perhaps you may include in your signature:

ASSERTIONS'R'ME

Just a thought. ;) :)
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2015, 02:54:41 PM »
enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:

I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.

I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.

Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.

Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.

Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.




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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2015, 02:57:01 PM »
enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:

I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.

I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.

Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.

Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.

Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.

But NM you have no proof any deity, let alone an afterlife, exists. It is all assumption, on your part.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2015, 03:01:45 PM »
We are mere humans, SusanDoris, and it is absurdly pretentious to think we know for certainty anything about God
Including its existence?

I believe in His existence because I accept what Jesus taught.   As to knowing Him:  I wouldn't assume such arrogance.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2015, 03:03:28 PM »
I believe in His existence because I accept what Jesus taught.   
Why?
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2015, 03:04:15 PM »
enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:

I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.

Isn't Hades the Greek underworld? You're not holding truck with pagan gods, surely!?!?!

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I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.

Given that I can't see very many clear links between what you say and what's written in the Bible, I suspect it won't help very much at all. I'm glad that you think you have proof - is this proof in a format that you can communicate to other people, or is this the sort of proof that's conveniently only available inside your head via 'personal revelation/really, really wanting it to be true'?

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Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...

No. Science is a methodology for examining the world around us to determine the mechanics of reality. Jesus was teaching us a philosophy, at least as he's depicted in the New Testament, of (broadly) tolerance, peace and reconciliation, although the account fails to adequately compensate for the implicit misogyny of the times or the rampant homophobia, tribalism, violence and racism of its predecessor work or the contributions from some of his followers.

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It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.

Arguably the philosophy is centred around valuing people as people, whilst the supernatural mythic elements that are hung on the story are about an omniscient deity, with unevidenced assertions like 'soul' and 'resurrection' and 'spirit' thrown in to the mix.

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Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.

Your definition of science does not seem to coincide with the typical understanding of the concept.

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Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.

If this is science, faith is not required. Science is the process of accumulating evidence to support or refute provisional explanations of observed hypotheses, whilst faith is the maintenance of a preconceived position in the absence of, or in spite of, the evidence.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2015, 03:05:21 PM »
enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:

I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.

I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.

Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.

Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.

Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.

But NM you have no proof any deity, let alone an afterlife, exists. It is all assumption, on your part.

In the space of half a dozen posts you have said the same thing three times!  It would be interesting  (not that interesting!) if someone counted the number of times you have repeated this same mantra, in say, a week - that is if such a person has finished watching the paint dry!
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2015, 03:06:30 PM »
She's not wrong though is she?  ;)
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2015, 03:06:56 PM »
enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:

I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.

I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.

Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.

Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.

Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.

Nice to have you back, NM.  Ready for all the flack?  Don't worry, there's nothing new:  just the same old twaddle repeated ad nauseam.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2015, 03:08:02 PM »
enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:

I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.

I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.

Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.

Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.

Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.

Nick, I've done an alarming amount of Bible study in my time, and a bit of formal study too, and none of it bore any resemblance to your stuff. But hey, it's making you happy.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2015, 03:08:46 PM »
Maybe it is, but his electricity bill must be a bleeding nightmare.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2015, 03:09:16 PM »
She's not wrong though is she?  ;)

I think she is, of course.  But the question is:  can she not remember that she is saying the same old thing every few minutes?  Quite worrying really.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2015, 03:12:23 PM »
I think she is, of course.
Of course, but that's only your belief, which you can't demonstrate to be the case.
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But the question is:  can she not remember that she is saying the same old thing every few minutes?  Quite worrying really.
You say that as though we don't hear the same old wearying parade of unevidenced assertions and logical fallacies from Christians. When can we expect you to criticise Hope for his near-daily deployment of the negative proof fallacy, for instance?
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2015, 03:15:04 PM »
enki, SusanDorit, Floo, ippy, Outrider, Hope, Riannon, BashfulAnthony, Shaker:

I'm pleased to be back too. There is no satisfaction in being a Christian and not trying to save some from the inevitable alternative called Hades.

Isn't Hades the Greek underworld? You're not holding truck with pagan gods, surely!?!?!

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I have all the proof I need, it is just your misfortune if I don't make the points clearly...perhaps a Bible study might help.

Given that I can't see very many clear links between what you say and what's written in the Bible, I suspect it won't help very much at all. I'm glad that you think you have proof - is this proof in a format that you can communicate to other people, or is this the sort of proof that's conveniently only available inside your head via 'personal revelation/really, really wanting it to be true'?

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Jesus was teaching us science...but it is centred around mankind rather than greed and wealth...

No. Science is a methodology for examining the world around us to determine the mechanics of reality. Jesus was teaching us a philosophy, at least as he's depicted in the New Testament, of (broadly) tolerance, peace and reconciliation, although the account fails to adequately compensate for the implicit misogyny of the times or the rampant homophobia, tribalism, violence and racism of its predecessor work or the contributions from some of his followers.

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It is centred around an All Knowing God, rather than accidental nature, and it is centred around the power of resurrection rather than the sloppy and abusive laws of spirit-craft.

Arguably the philosophy is centred around valuing people as people, whilst the supernatural mythic elements that are hung on the story are about an omniscient deity, with unevidenced assertions like 'soul' and 'resurrection' and 'spirit' thrown in to the mix.

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Follow science and achieve everlasting life because, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ we know it is all possible.

Your definition of science does not seem to coincide with the typical understanding of the concept.

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Faith is required because it is all far to complicated for us but that faith is supplied by Biblical study.

If this is science, faith is not required. Science is the process of accumulating evidence to support or refute provisional explanations of observed hypotheses, whilst faith is the maintenance of a preconceived position in the absence of, or in spite of, the evidence.

O.

Science, of course, has to be verifiable...My science is verifiable because it upholds all of modern science and goes much, much, further. Sadly, we need to know what Jesus was saying and doing at the time of his ministry rather than just dismiss him because man has twisted his word to breach the code. Science doesn't work well that way.