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« on: November 12, 2015, 09:25:59 AM »
God’s Love

Jesus Christ taught us about God’s love. The highest authority in the universe has told us, through Jesus, that he knows what’s going on…He knows who is causing all the distress…He knows how to deal with it all, but we have got to be patient, and he supplied an indestructible  link to his love whilst we wait.

We all know what righteous love should be. It should be what our parents and grandparents should offer us…what our brothers and sisters should give us…what our carers and our communities should be guided by…what we freely give to our friends and neighbours…but sadly, that isn’t quite how it works…is it??

When someone loves another, they want to protect…to guide…to provide for…to make happy…to nurture…etc…etc.  All these properties of love are administered by an energetic affection which is heart-warming and extremely uplifting. Here is the key, then, to God’s love…He is the owner of such an energetic energy…He made all the atoms and all the stars from it and…through Jesus Christ’s accurate teaching…he has made it available to us. It just requires us to attach to Jesus Christ’s righteous guidance, accurately, and we then attach ourselves to God’s loving and energetic force that protects us and guides us, provides our righteous needs, is heart-warming, repairing and extremely uplifting, as long as we don’t allow evil to weasel it away from us with their many destructive raids upon our spiritual integrity…but we must learn to overcome this obstacle if we want repair, resurrection and everlasting life…all supplied through Almighty God’s indestructible and energetic love...if we do it Jesus' way.

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 09:29:25 AM »
God and 'love' is an oxymoron. There is absolutely nothing loving about the behaviour attributed to the Biblical deity. If it exists, which seems unlikely, we should be seeking ways of exterminating it!

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 09:37:56 AM »
Jesus Christ taught us about God’s love.

He referred to the Old Testament where love is between one man and his purchased bride, one man and his wife and her maid, one man and his daughters, his concubines, the men attacking his house and his daughters, and one man and his neighbour, but never ever two men or two women because that would be wrongness.

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The highest authority in the universe has told us, through Jesus, that he knows what’s going on…

Jesus talks to Optimus Prime!!!

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He knows who is causing all the distress…He knows how to deal with it all, but we have got to be patient, and he supplied an indestructible  link to his love whilst we wait.

Why do we have to wait? If God is all powerful and knows what's going on, why doesn't he fix it? How long do people have to suffer in this before he sorts it out? Tenants have rights, landlords have obligations...

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We all know what righteous love should be. It should be what our parents and grandparents should offer us…what our brothers and sisters should give us…what our carers and our communities should be guided by…what we freely give to our friends and neighbours…but sadly, that isn’t quite how it works…is it??

That's a great sentiment, and a lovely idea. I can whole-heartedly back that concept to the hilt, we could all be at least a little bit more giving and forgiving with the people around us.

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When someone loves another, they want to protect…to guide…to provide for…to make happy…to nurture…etc…etc. All these properties of love are administered by an energetic affection which is heart-warming and extremely uplifting.

Often. Sometimes they want to 'nurture' to the point of controlling, though, sometimes they want to 'guide' to the point of control, sometimes they want to 'provide' for to the point of isolation. Love is a motivator, but some people are prone to misapplication - which is not to downplay the idea, just to remember that people's expectations and desires vary, and simplistic statements can fail to accommodate that.

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Here is the key, then, to God’s love…He is the owner of such an energetic energy…He made all the atoms and all the stars from it and…through Jesus Christ’s accurate teaching…he has made it available to us. It just requires us to attach to Jesus Christ’s righteous guidance, accurately, and we then attach ourselves to God’s loving and energetic force that protects us and guides us, provides our righteous needs, is heart-warming, repairing and extremely uplifting, as long as we don’t allow evil to weasel it away from us with their many destructive raids upon our spiritual integrity…but we must learn to overcome this obstacle if we want repair, resurrection and everlasting life…all supplied through Almighty God’s indestructible and energetic love...if we do it Jesus' way.

And then we're off into nonsense again. If the responsibility is ours, and the actions to be taken are ours, and the purpose is for our benefit, why drag the superstition into it in the first place? The missive 'love one another' as a catchphrase for a mentality that would improve the world is brilliant - why drag in superstition which is just going to alienate those portions of the populace that either have a different superstition or who have foregone the need for superstition?

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 09:55:48 AM »
God and 'love' is an oxymoron. There is absolutely nothing loving about the behaviour attributed to the Biblical deity. If it exists, which seems unlikely, we should be seeking ways of exterminating it!

Not sure if you are repeating this hackneyed line because you're an attention-seeker, or just an idiot.  Do make sure your family are fully aware of your views as you gather for your Christmas lunch - have the courage of your convictions!
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2015, 09:56:19 AM »
Welcome back, Nick! :)

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2015, 09:59:25 AM »
More like welcome back horsethorn! :)
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2015, 10:03:36 AM »
I've not been *away*, just... resting :)

And I had to welcome Nick back!

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 10:21:29 AM »
Not sure if you are repeating this hackneyed line because you're an attention-seeker, or just an idiot.  Do make sure your family are fully aware of your views as you gather for your Christmas lunch - have the courage of your convictions!

Probably for the same reason that the Westboro' Baptists turn up in their devotion to their protests with signs telling people who God hates - because the Old Testament is riddled with depictions of the Christian god as a violent, spiteful, jealous psychopath, and although the New Testament moderates much of that and depicts Jesus as a far more inclusive, pacifist teacher there are still strains of slavery apologism, misogyny, homophobia and racism through the work.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2015, 10:30:24 AM »
God’s Love

Jesus Christ taught us about God’s love. The highest authority in the universe has told us, through Jesus, that he knows what’s going on…He knows who is causing all the distress…He knows how to deal with it all, but we have got to be patient, and he supplied an indestructible  link to his love whilst we wait.

We all know what righteous love should be. It should be what our parents and grandparents should offer us…what our brothers and sisters should give us…what our carers and our communities should be guided by…what we freely give to our friends and neighbours…but sadly, that isn’t quite how it works…is it??

When someone loves another, they want to protect…to guide…to provide for…to make happy…to nurture…etc…etc.  All these properties of love are administered by an energetic affection which is heart-warming and extremely uplifting. Here is the key, then, to God’s love…He is the owner of such an energetic energy…He made all the atoms and all the stars from it and…through Jesus Christ’s accurate teaching…he has made it available to us. It just requires us to attach to Jesus Christ’s righteous guidance, accurately, and we then attach ourselves to God’s loving and energetic force that protects us and guides us, provides our righteous needs, is heart-warming, repairing and extremely uplifting, as long as we don’t allow evil to weasel it away from us with their many destructive raids upon our spiritual integrity…but we must learn to overcome this obstacle if we want repair, resurrection and everlasting life…all supplied through Almighty God’s indestructible and energetic love...if we do it Jesus' way.

All very nice and cosy if there were anything like this god of yours Nick but unfortunately lack of evidence more or less, emphasis on the less, rules out any such thing.

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2015, 10:33:40 AM »
Not sure if you are repeating this hackneyed line because you're an attention-seeker, or just an idiot.  Do make sure your family are fully aware of your views as you gather for your Christmas lunch - have the courage of your convictions!

Probably for the same reason that the Westboro' Baptists turn up in their devotion to their protests with signs telling people who God hates - because the Old Testament is riddled with depictions of the Christian god as a violent, spiteful, jealous psychopath, and although the New Testament moderates much of that and depicts Jesus as a far more inclusive, pacifist teacher there are still strains of slavery apologism, misogyny, homophobia and racism through the work.

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Why the irrelevant reference to the Westboro Baptists.  How many of them are there?  A couple of hundred?  That's all they represent.  And as for the OT reference:  I've made my views on that abundantly clear.   Floo's trouble is that she makes her sweeping and unpleasant accusation about the God of the New Testament as well, in her ignorance, despite claiming to have read the New Testament.  If she has, then she understood nothing of it.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2015, 10:48:12 AM »
Why the irrelevant reference to the Westboro Baptists.

How is it irrelevant? They're Christians with the same interpretation of the Biblical works that you're criticising Floo for. You might not like that interpretation, you might not share it, but you have no way to determine that your interpretation is any more or less valid in the absence of any viable corroboration of any of it.

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How many of them are there?  A couple of hundred?  That's all they represent.

The argumentum ad populum again - it doesn't matter how many of them there are, it matters whether their argument stands up.

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And as for the OT reference:  I've made my views on that abundantly clear.   Floo's trouble is that she makes her sweeping and unpleasant accusation about the God of the New Testament as well, in her ignorance, despite claiming to have read the New Testament.  If she has, then she understood nothing of it.

I've read it. I can see that it represents and improvement on the character depicted in the Old Testament to the point where it's essentially a completely different character - that, in itself, makes the idea of 'God' questionable, and the legitimacy of at least one of the works incredible. The New Testament, however, still supports misogyny, slavery, racism and homophobia, none of which are acceptable to decent-minded people.

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2015, 11:29:11 AM »
Hi horsethorn and thankyou...

I am just pointing out here that the love we all feel for those we value is simply an expression of our own surplus energy...itself a manifestation of a property that is universal and is owned by Almighty God...and if we follow Jesus we can upbuild and be comforted by the same energetic force and will gain a surplus to share with many others in our daily lives.

It's a bit better than sniping and bullying or otherwise being offensive to our neighbours...and, via God's love the world will be a much better place for us all.

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2015, 11:35:21 AM »
I suspect that some Christians have never actually read the Bible, or only read it when wearing rose tinted specs! That would explain some of the idiot comments you get about the deity being a god of love, when the things attributed to it would be criminal in human terms!

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2015, 12:44:00 PM »
I suspect that some Christians have never actually read the Bible, or only read it when wearing rose tinted specs! That would explain some of the idiot comments you get about the deity being a god of love, when the things attributed to it would be criminal in human terms!

You may have heard of iniquity Floo...that is when the Holy Bible is taken out of context...misused...altered and misquoted for unrighteous purposes and generally used to convey a false message. You seem to enjoy attacking iniquity thinking it is the righteous message of the Holy Bible...It isn't. Jesus Christ was teaching those who had a scrap of humanity to harness that humanity through God's love and bring alive a wonderful way of life that has its anchorage in the mechanics of God's universal creation...whether it be stars...atoms...life...or science.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2015, 01:08:05 PM »
You may have heard of iniquity Floo...that is when the Holy Bible is taken out of context...misused...altered and misquoted for unrighteous purposes and generally used to convey a false message.

How does one tell which is the iniquitous message and which is the righteous message of two interpretations of the same passage?

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You seem to enjoy attacking iniquity thinking it is the righteous message of the Holy Bible...It isn't.

Whether it's right or not, whether you think it's right or not, if that's what's informing people who are causing problems around the world as their manifestation of Christianity it's a perfectly fair comment to be making: from outside of the faith we have no real interest in policing who has the right or wrong interpretation, we just want the bad outcomes to stop.

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Jesus Christ was teaching those who had a scrap of humanity to harness that humanity through God's love and bring alive a wonderful way of life that has its anchorage in the mechanics of God's universal creation...whether it be stars...atoms...life...or science.

Then why does the New Testament accommodate slavery, but not women's rights? What demonstration of humanity  and love is embodied by homophobia?

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2015, 01:25:43 PM »
I suspect that some Christians have never actually read the Bible, or only read it when wearing rose tinted specs! That would explain some of the idiot comments you get about the deity being a god of love, when the things attributed to it would be criminal in human terms!

You may have heard of iniquity Floo...that is when the Holy Bible is taken out of context...misused...altered and misquoted for unrighteous purposes and generally used to convey a false message. You seem to enjoy attacking iniquity thinking it is the righteous message of the Holy Bible...It isn't. Jesus Christ was teaching those who had a scrap of humanity to harness that humanity through God's love and bring alive a wonderful way of life that has its anchorage in the mechanics of God's universal creation...whether it be stars...atoms...life...or science.

So then tell me what is good about your version of the deity, because I fail to see anything good about it?

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2015, 01:58:31 PM »
I suspect that some Christians have never actually read the Bible, or only read it when wearing rose tinted specs! That would explain some of the idiot comments you get about the deity being a god of love, when the things attributed to it would be criminal in human terms!

You may have heard of iniquity Floo...that is when the Holy Bible is taken out of context...misused...altered and misquoted for unrighteous purposes and generally used to convey a false message. You seem to enjoy attacking iniquity thinking it is the righteous message of the Holy Bible...It isn't. Jesus Christ was teaching those who had a scrap of humanity to harness that humanity through God's love and bring alive a wonderful way of life that has its anchorage in the mechanics of God's universal creation...whether it be stars...atoms...life...or science.

So then tell me what is good about your version of the deity, because I fail to see anything good about it?

Well...for starters Floo, because we are working from the true perspective of all creation, being the eruption of a wonderful 'dynamic energy' we can begin looking at the problems that surround all our lives and work out what is going wrong and more importantly how to put things right. Unfortunately this requires the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and I know this isn't what you want but that I am afraid is a vital ingredient of righteousness repair, resurrection and receiving God's Love.

This isn't new though...Jesus told us all about it 2000 years ago.




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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2015, 02:02:28 PM »
I suspect that some Christians have never actually read the Bible, or only read it when wearing rose tinted specs! That would explain some of the idiot comments you get about the deity being a god of love, when the things attributed to it would be criminal in human terms!

You may have heard of iniquity Floo...that is when the Holy Bible is taken out of context...misused...altered and misquoted for unrighteous purposes and generally used to convey a false message. You seem to enjoy attacking iniquity thinking it is the righteous message of the Holy Bible...It isn't. Jesus Christ was teaching those who had a scrap of humanity to harness that humanity through God's love and bring alive a wonderful way of life that has its anchorage in the mechanics of God's universal creation...whether it be stars...atoms...life...or science.

So then tell me what is good about your version of the deity, because I fail to see anything good about it?

Well...for starters Floo, because we are working from the true perspective of all creation, being the eruption of a wonderful 'dynamic energy' we can begin looking at the problems that surround all our lives and work out what is going wrong and more importantly how to put things right. Unfortunately this requires the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and I know this isn't what you want but that I am afraid is a vital ingredient of righteousness repair, resurrection and receiving God's Love.

This isn't new though...Jesus told us all about it 2000 years ago.

You still haven't said anything that can be described as good about the deity! How do you know if anything that is quoted as being said by Jesus was actually spoken by him, let alone accurate?

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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2015, 02:19:13 PM »
I suspect that some Christians have never actually read the Bible, or only read it when wearing rose tinted specs! That would explain some of the idiot comments you get about the deity being a god of love, when the things attributed to it would be criminal in human terms!

You may have heard of iniquity Floo...that is when the Holy Bible is taken out of context...misused...altered and misquoted for unrighteous purposes and generally used to convey a false message. You seem to enjoy attacking iniquity thinking it is the righteous message of the Holy Bible...It isn't. Jesus Christ was teaching those who had a scrap of humanity to harness that humanity through God's love and bring alive a wonderful way of life that has its anchorage in the mechanics of God's universal creation...whether it be stars...atoms...life...or science.

So then tell me what is good about your version of the deity, because I fail to see anything good about it?

Well...for starters Floo, because we are working from the true perspective of all creation, being the eruption of a wonderful 'dynamic energy' we can begin looking at the problems that surround all our lives and work out what is going wrong and more importantly how to put things right. Unfortunately this requires the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and I know this isn't what you want but that I am afraid is a vital ingredient of righteousness repair, resurrection and receiving God's Love.

This isn't new though...Jesus told us all about it 2000 years ago.

You still haven't said anything that can be described as good about the deity! How do you know if anything that is quoted as being said by Jesus was actually spoken by him, let alone accurate?

We  are just going round and round in circles now Floo...if you can't accept that science is at the route of Biblical teaching then you will never accept that Jesus holds the answers to all our problems. If you cannot see that working with the complete manuel of creation leads to a deeper and better science than the one we have now then you are cutting off your nose to spite your face...and if you can't accept the reasoning that unifies righteous Biblical teaching with all other universal forces then you had better just stick to your own reasoning regardless of where it will lead you...because you have put up a barrier which God's love will not penetrate.

 

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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2015, 02:23:56 PM »
We  are just going round and round in circles now Floo...if you can't accept that science is at the route of Biblical teaching then you will never accept that Jesus holds the answers to all our problems.

I know a guy who is of the opinion that if you can't just accept the word of the prophet Muhammed then you are doomed. Like him, the onus is on you to justify your assertion - we are going round in a circle, and the circle looks like this:

NM asserts God - various people challenge NM to justify his claim - NM asserts 'Dynamic Energy' is dark matter/all matter/source of the big bang (delete to taste) - various people challenge NM to justify his claim - NM asserts God...

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If you cannot see that working with the complete manuel of creation leads to a deeper and better science than the one we have now then you are cutting off your nose to spite your face...

We can see that, we just can't see why you think a two-thousand year old racist, misogynist, homophobic, slavery apologist piece of rank tribalism is that manual.

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and if you can't accept the reasoning that unifies righteous Biblical teaching with all other universal forces

What reasoning? We've not seen any reasoning yet, we've repeatedly asked for it.

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...then you had better just stick to your own reasoning regardless of where it will lead you...because you have put up a barrier which God's love will not penetrate.

Cool, happy with that, I'll stand by my judgments all day long.

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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2015, 02:25:25 PM »
I suspect that some Christians have never actually read the Bible, or only read it when wearing rose tinted specs! That would explain some of the idiot comments you get about the deity being a god of love, when the things attributed to it would be criminal in human terms!

You may have heard of iniquity Floo...that is when the Holy Bible is taken out of context...misused...altered and misquoted for unrighteous purposes and generally used to convey a false message. You seem to enjoy attacking iniquity thinking it is the righteous message of the Holy Bible...It isn't. Jesus Christ was teaching those who had a scrap of humanity to harness that humanity through God's love and bring alive a wonderful way of life that has its anchorage in the mechanics of God's universal creation...whether it be stars...atoms...life...or science.

So then tell me what is good about your version of the deity, because I fail to see anything good about it?

Well...for starters Floo, because we are working from the true perspective of all creation, being the eruption of a wonderful 'dynamic energy' we can begin looking at the problems that surround all our lives and work out what is going wrong and more importantly how to put things right. Unfortunately this requires the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and I know this isn't what you want but that I am afraid is a vital ingredient of righteousness repair, resurrection and receiving God's Love.

This isn't new though...Jesus told us all about it 2000 years ago.

You still haven't said anything that can be described as good about the deity! How do you know if anything that is quoted as being said by Jesus was actually spoken by him, let alone accurate?

We  are just going round and round in circles now Floo...if you can't accept that science is at the route of Biblical teaching then you will never accept that Jesus holds the answers to all our problems. If you cannot see that working with the complete manuel of creation leads to a deeper and better science than the one we have now then you are cutting off your nose to spite your face...and if you can't accept the reasoning that unifies righteous Biblical teaching with all other universal forces then you had better just stick to your own reasoning regardless of where it will lead you...because you have put up a barrier which God's love will not penetrate.

Science as we know it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the documents making up the Bible, it was a concept which hadn't been thought of in those days!

You still haven't told me what is supposedly loving about the deity! A deity which is said to have flooded the whole planet, killing all humans and animals apart from Noah, his family and a few animals is an evil psycho! :(

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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2015, 02:31:24 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2015, 02:34:18 PM »
Dear Happy Thoughts,

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2015, 02:56:02 PM »
Dear Happy Thoughts,

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2015, 03:38:08 PM »

I've read it. I can see that it represents and improvement on the character depicted in the Old Testament to the point where it's essentially a completely different character - that, in itself, makes the idea of 'God' questionable, and the legitimacy of at least one of the works incredible. The New Testament, however, still supports misogyny, slavery, racism and homophobia, none of which are acceptable to decent-minded people.

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Despite your more subtle attitude to the NT, you're inclined to be as simplistic about the OT as BA. The early part of the OT depicts God as a homicidal monster, who delivers an incredibly boring set of rules which determine 'righteous' behaviour. But other parts of the OT are extremely varied in their depictions of God.

The NT, likewise, is very varied in its depictions of God, and you rightly point out the appalling activities and attitudes it appears to justify in certain texts. Unlike BA though, you don't indulge in doublethink, and claim in one breath that you "accept the NT", and then sotto voce mention the parts of it you don't accept, hoping that people won't actually notice. He has criteria for what he accepts, but they seem to depend as much on personal fancies as they do on any sort of scholarship (crying 'Midrash' seems to be his get-out tactic).
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