BBC Sports Personality 2015

[BashfulAnthony]

So Fury gets your vote regardless of the shit he comes out with because he's good at hitting people yet Jak's views count for nothing because he swears?

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=11274.0

Will you kindly stop saying what you think I mean. I did not say I'd vote for him:  I've never voted, and don't intend to do so now.  I merely point out thr hysterical reaction to the man, which has nothing to do with sport, and it is a sporting occasion we are talking of.  And, incidentally, to Outrider: the disgraceful individuals and companies who avoid British taxes are quite rightly lampooned.  Why should Hamilton be given some sort special dispensation to abuse his country:  just the usual pop at me, without thinking it through:  that is the most disingenuous comment on the thread so far.

Rhiannon: please acknowledge your error in ascribing to me something I did not say.

[Outrider]

And, incidentally, to Outrider: the disgraceful individuals and companies who avoid British taxes are quite rightly lampooned.  Why should Hamilton be given some sort special dispensation to abuse his country:  just the usual pop at me, without thinking it through:  that is the most disingenuous comment on the thread so far.

Really? Isn't this about their sporting achievement, not their outside activities?

Incidentally, seeing as you don't like people reinterpreting your words for you, I didn't say Hamilton should get a free ride for his tax affairs.

As to why we shouldn't treat him like we treat companies that shuffle tax obligations to light regimes, mainly because he actually goes and lives there, these companies are making their money here with infrastructure that is here.

And as to having a pop at you, get over yourself. I don't play the man, I play the (lack of) argument.

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

Really? Isn't this about their sporting achievement, not their outside activities?

Incidentally, seeing as you don't like people reinterpreting your words for you, I didn't say Hamilton should get a free ride for his tax affairs.

As to why we shouldn't treat him like we treat companies that shuffle tax obligations to light regimes, mainly because he actually goes and lives there, these companies are making their money here with infrastructure that is here.

And as to having a pop at you, get over yourself. I don't play the man, I play the (lack of) argument.

O.

Re-read your post.  You contradict yourself in what is surely your lamest post for some time.  Keep trying, and remember, I am not voting for Fury, Hamilton, or anyone:  I am simply saying that this is a sporting occasion, not an analysis of someone's personal views.  Have you managed to understand that yet?

[Outrider]

Re-read your post.

"I'd say emigrating to a more favourable tax regime, whilst unfortunate, is infinitely preferable to being a colossal misogynist homophobic dick-head."

Yep, done that.

You contradict yourself in what is surely your lamest post for some time.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but you really should be basing it on the reality of the situation. If you think that's in some way endorsing Hamilton's tax-avoiding actions then I suggest you learn to read better.

Keep trying, and remember, I am not voting for Fury, Hamilton, or anyone:  I am simply saying that this is a sporting occasion, not an analysis of someone's personal views.

I'm not aware I've alleged you were voting, but you are advocating and supporting the idea that Fury's attitude is irrelevant because this is about sporting achievements, yet you brought up Lewis Hamilton's tax status.

Have you managed to understand that yet?

You don't think Hamilton's tax status or Fury's rampant misogyny and homophobia should come into the equation, I get that. What I don't get is that you think they're somehow comparable or equivalent, regardless of whether you think they're relevant to SPOTY.

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

"I'd say emigrating to a more favourable tax regime, whilst unfortunate, is infinitely preferable to being a colossal misogynist homophobic dick-head."

Yep, done that.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but you really should be basing it on the reality of the situation. If you think that's in some way endorsing Hamilton's tax-avoiding actions then I suggest you learn to read better.

I'm not aware I've alleged you were voting, but you are advocating and supporting the idea that Fury's attitude is irrelevant because this is about sporting achievements, yet you brought up Lewis Hamilton's tax status.

You don't think Hamilton's tax status or Fury's rampant misogyny and homophobia should come into the equation, I get that. What I don't get is that you think they're somehow comparable or equivalent, regardless of whether you think they're relevant to SPOTY.

O.

I merely brought up Hamilton's situation in response to the comments made about Fury; pointing out that Fury is not the only one who is not lily-white.  The rest of your post is the usual pedantic drivel.

[Outrider]

I merely brought up Hamilton's situation in response to the comments made about Fury; pointing out that Fury is not the only one who is not lily-white.  The rest of your post is the usual pedantic drivel.

If you think that objecting to describing paying tax in the country you live in rather than the country of your birth as equivalent to Fury's homophobia and misogyny is 'pedantry' then I think you misunderstand what pedantry is.

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

If you think that objecting to describing paying tax in the country you live in rather than the country of your birth as equivalent to Fury's homophobia and misogyny is 'pedantry' then I think you misunderstand what pedantry is.

O.

I do not misunderstand anything:  I am perfectly aware that the whole tenor of your posting is aimed at contradicting anything I say; and you have no real interest in the ins and outs of the BBC Sports Personality programme.  It's all so very obvious, and immature!

[Outrider]

I do not misunderstand anything:  I am perfectly aware that the whole tenor of your posting is aimed at contradicting anything I say; and you have no real interest in the ins and outs of the BBC Sports Personality programme.  It's all so very obvious, and immature!

So now you're coupling your persecution complex with the sort of arrogance that leads you to think it's all about you.

Unlike you, I've voted, which suggests that I'm not the one arguing about an issue I don't care about.

Once again reality threatens to slap you on the arse on the way out...

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

So now you're coupling your persecution complex with the sort of arrogance that leads you to think it's all about you.

Unlike you, I've voted, which suggests that I'm not the one arguing about an issue I don't care about.

Once again reality threatens to slap you on the arse on the way out...

O.

I think I'll opt out of posting to you for now, since your lapse into the use of expletives is distasteful to me  -  and of course,merely personifies your own desperation!

[Hope]

Andy Murray - worthy winner.

Kevin Sinfield and Jess Ennis-Hill - worthy runner up and 3rd respectively.