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Re: salvation
« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2015, 11:10:36 AM »
I think most people know they are not perfect, but they are reluctant to allow others to use their weaknesses, to tell them what to think and believe.

Which is what Christianity is trying to do with its message of fallen man/woman.

People won't accept that.

It's not their egos, but the manipulation many object to.
But the truth is people allow themselves to be manipulated all the time by advertisers, politicians, society etc. so there must be something more at stake when it comes to religion.......ego.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2015, 11:14:16 AM »
But the truth is people allow themselves to be manipulated all the time by advertisers, politicians, society etc. so there must be something more at stake when it comes to religion.......ego.

Some people are manipulated by their religious faith and can't think for themselves! ::)
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Re: salvation
« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2015, 11:35:50 AM »
Some people are manipulated by their religious faith and can't think for themselves! ::)
I can see the same thing in secular society....and as that's bigger than religious society.....is far more widespread.

In other words because the majority are secular humanist....that must be the reservoir for sheepish behaviour.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2015, 12:19:12 PM »
I can see the same thing in secular society....and as that's bigger than religious society.....is far more widespread.

In other words because the majority are secular humanist....that must be the reservoir for sheepish behaviour.

I can think for myself thanks!
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Re: salvation
« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2015, 12:39:41 PM »
But the truth is people allow themselves to be manipulated all the time by advertisers, politicians, society etc. so there must be something more at stake when it comes to religion.......ego.

Right on cue for - “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”
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Re: salvation
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2015, 01:21:31 PM »
Right on cue for - “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”

A meaningless phrase!
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Re: salvation
« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2015, 01:39:48 PM »
Right on cue for - “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”

It's a bit like claiming you are proud and egotistical because you won't join the Mormons or other group.

It's about people trying to gain control of your mind and when you resist them, they then say you are doing so because you are egotistical and refuse to see what God is really like.

It's an obnoxious technique which isn't used by advertising or politicians.

« Last Edit: December 22, 2015, 01:42:17 PM by Rose »

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Re: salvation
« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2015, 01:44:29 PM »
A meaningless phrase!

It's christianeze. Designed to make people feel excluded and certain Christians display that pride and ego they reckon they don't have ;)

Christianeze is a secret language to make Christian egotists feel they are an
 elite ;)


All part of the manipulation techniques.

They hope to woo you using the fear of rejection.

Won't work though, as Keith's latest thread shows.

To many individuals on here that are not bothered by social inclusion at any price

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« Last Edit: December 22, 2015, 01:49:41 PM by Rose »

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Re: salvation
« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2015, 02:14:58 PM »
But Christianity goes further and says we are 'fallen' for wanting things that are either harmless, or actually good for us.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2015, 04:50:20 PM »
But Christianity goes further and says we are 'fallen' for wanting things that are either harmless, or actually good for us.
Congratulations you win todays prize for the caricature of Christianity which paints it in the worst light.

Antitheists you have been shown up......Not bad for a paganism which reckons it is at peace with all and doesn't wish to proselytise or ram it's own goodness down anybodies throats.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2015, 04:57:22 PM »
Congratulations you win todays prize for the caricature of Christianity which paints it in the worst light.

Antitheists you have been shown up......Not bad for a paganism which reckons it is at peace with all and doesn't wish to proselytise or ram it's own goodness down anybodies throats.

So rather than counter my statement with a decent argument you settle for a personal attack.

Whatever.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2015, 05:33:40 PM »
Congratulations you win todays prize for the caricature of Christianity which paints it in the worst light.

Antitheists you have been shown up......Not bad for a paganism which reckons it is at peace with all and doesn't wish to proselytise or ram it's own goodness down anybodies throats.
Brilliant work, Vlad. Stunning, really. You were handed the perfect opportunity to take Rhiannon's #58 and say: "Actually, I disagree with that assessment of yours, and here are my reasons why ..." and instead we get another swivel-eyed rant about anti-theists.

Exceptional work, Vlad. No, really.
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Re: salvation
« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2015, 09:50:44 PM »
Christianeze
feel excluded
secret language
Christian egotists
elite
manipulation
fear of rejection

That's one humdinger of a hate on you got Rose. Merry CHRISTmas.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2015, 10:15:18 PM »
It is true though, MHMMaM.  I have experienced the same.  Let me say that I am a believer but before I was I met and mixed with some quite extreme Christians who were very nice but would convey all the sentiments that you have listed, were often quite insensitive and tactless, single minded and somewhat complacent.  There was also something of a glassy stare.  I was a grown up but sometimes felt confused.  I was much happier later, in a more mainstream setting which was more human and - for want of a better word - "normal".

I have also come across those attitudes on forums, I tend to ignore most of it or talk about something else of a lighthearted nature, but I've heard of people being accused of arrogance and defiance because they don't believe:  they don't believe because they can't believe, it isn't a question of deliberately not believing.  It can be off putting, certainly scary for younger people and those of a sensitive nature.  Not everyone has a gift for evangelism, some definitely should keep schtum.

(Btw, I noted your nickname and feel very sorry that the mods have removed your vocal cords.  They should be prosecuted. )
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Re: salvation
« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2015, 11:33:48 PM »
Sounds like you met and mixed with humans Brownie. I have a customer and the first few times talking to her, she just had a dazed and glassy stare. But now she just yatters on and on with me about perennials. That list is not my experience in a conservative Christian church and my family. Though I will admit that dad had to go after a couple fellas fresh out of Bible college that were so on fire they were turning people off and annoying some in the congregation. Dad never thought twice about dumping a bit of water on their fire and letting them just smolder.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2015, 11:38:55 PM »
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Re: salvation
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2016, 05:18:34 PM »
Some people are manipulated by their religious faith and can't think for themselves! ::)

And the leader of your religious faith loves you,and think you will be spending eternity with him,and when you get there you will hate him.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2016, 05:20:45 PM »
Handy hint: Floo doesn't have one ;)
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Re: salvation
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2016, 07:04:38 PM »
And the leader of your religious faith loves you,and think you will be spending eternity with him,and when you get there you will hate him.

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Re: salvation
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2016, 07:05:13 PM »
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« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2016, 07:06:13 PM »
He doesn't.

I know, but the trouble is, he doesn't know that  ;)

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Re: salvation
« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2016, 11:37:48 AM »
And the leader of your religious faith loves you,and think you will be spending eternity with him,and when you get there you will hate him.

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I suspect you would be joining me in hell as you bring Christianity into disrepute with your nastiness!
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Re: salvation
« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2016, 07:26:07 PM »
I suspect you would be joining me in hell as you bring Christianity into disrepute with your nastiness!

 Nastiness no facts yes,mind you if was in hell with you I could remind you each day what a pratt you were, now that would be hell for you. :)

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Re: salvation
« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2016, 09:57:47 PM »
Some people are manipulated by their religious faith and can't think for themselves! ::)
Some people are manipulated by commercial organisations and can't think for themselves, others aren't. Floo.  Is it the people's fault or the organisations' fault?
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Re: salvation
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2016, 08:25:56 AM »
Nastiness no facts yes,mind you if was in hell with you I could remind you each day what a pratt you were, now that would be hell for you. :)

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Your Christian loving kindness pours out of your rear end, so one needs to wear a clothes peg on one's nose when reading your posts! ;D ;D ;D
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