Author Topic: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!  (Read 2789 times)

bluehillside

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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2015, 10:21:04 PM »
Hope,

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Many of which, as I'm sure you're aware, give conflicting or 'competing' scientific information and ideas.  That's 'where I've been'.

That's flatly untrue. The great majority of evolutionary theory is well-understood, well-tested by experiments and well documented. Certainly for the purposes of the misunderstanding of it you posted earlier, the consensus among those who actually study the subject is overwhelming - the fact of common descent is clearly evidenced by the genetic code.

That's not to say that there aren't disagreements in important areas - famously about punctuated equilibrium for example - but it is to say that for the purpose of this conversation you're talking out of your hat.   
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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2015, 10:35:01 PM »
Hope,

That's flatly untrue. The great majority of evolutionary theory is well-understood, well-tested by experiments and well documented. Certainly for the purposes of the misunderstanding of it you posted earlier, the consensus among those who actually study the subject is overwhelming - the fact of common descent is clearly evidenced by the genetic code.
I'd love to know what he makes of chromosome 2 ...

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That's not to say that there aren't disagreements in important areas - famously about punctuated equilibrium for example - but it is to say that for the purpose of this conversation you're talking out of your hat.   
As beautifully expressed as ever.
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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2015, 06:58:32 PM »
But we are also 'related by genes' to a number of other living organisms and not all of them animal.
We are related to all living organisms on this planet, the vast majority of them not animals.

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That was the poiint I was making - thyat genetic relationship doesn't necessarily put us in a direct line of descent.

We are not in the direct line of descent of any other living species. However, we are more closely related to some species than others.


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Which of the 10 Cs suggests that we should worship graven images, bhs?
None. However, one forbids it. But it's a bit odd that worshipping pictures of God is deemed worse than slavery and rape (neither of which are mentioned at all in the Ten Commandments).

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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2015, 11:21:37 PM »
The Wikipedia article is very good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

It shows how slowly and reluctantly science has accepted the obvious biological facts about the place of humans and discarded the religious view of our specialness.

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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2015, 04:42:31 AM »
The Wikipedia article is very good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

It shows how slowly and reluctantly science has accepted the obvious biological facts about the place of humans and discarded the religious view of our specialness.


The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).

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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2015, 07:24:04 AM »

The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).

Oh dearie me ... how the human mind loves to kid itself with delusions of grandeur!

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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2015, 08:46:57 AM »

The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).
You don't understand the anthropic principle. You haven't even specified which version of the anthropic version you're referring to for a start, since there are several.
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Re: Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2015, 12:11:09 PM »
Sriram,

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The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).

You have it backwards - it actually says the opposite of that. See Douglas Adams's puddle story for further details:

“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.”


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