Lord Lucan dead

[Maeght]

You see it your way and I will see it mine.
Neither of us can prove our view one way or 'tother.

What nonsense. Do you actually know anything about the case or are you just spouting off due to anti aristocracy feelings?

Your way of seeing it is not based on any evidence or facts. Just be big enough to say you don't know anything about it and have made a mistake.

And, to be perfectly honest, I really couldn't give a damn as anyone who knew anything kept their traps shut for fear of what the aristocracy and their minions could do to anyone who spoke out!

Don't disagree with that.

[Owlswing]

What nonsense. Do you actually know anything about the case or are you just spouting off due to anti aristocracy feelings?

Your way of seeing it is not based on any evidence or facts. Just be big enough to say you don't know anything about it and have made a mistake.

Don't disagree with that.

Whatever!

[Maeght]

Whatever!

Very grown up.

[Owlswing]

Very grown up.

Growing old is inevitable;

Growing up is optional;

If you haven't grown up by 50 - don't bother.

I'm sorry, Maeght, but to me the Lucan case is ancient history. In all probability the truth of it will never ever be known. Why the Hell there had to such a splash about the re-granting of a Death Certificate is beyond me.

The nanny, Ms Sandra Rivett, has been and forever will be denied any sort justice as will her family be denied closure.

Lady Lucan and her progeny will possibly know exactly what happened and, if they do, will, in all probability, never make it public; and if they don't the situation will remain as it has for the last 42 years - all speculation and conspiracy theory.

As you will be well aware the aristocracy at that time were far, far, less accountable for their actions than they are now and, because of that, we, mere mortals, are not considered, even today, to be worth the telling of whatever the truth might or might not be.     

[Maeght]

Growing old is inevitable;

Growing up is optional;

If you haven't grown up by 50 - don't bother.

I'm sorry, Maeght, but to me the Lucan case is ancient history. In all probability the truth of it will never ever be known. Why the Hell there had to such a splash about the re-granting of a Death Certificate is beyond me.

The nanny, Ms Sandra Rivett, has been and forever will be denied any sort justice as will her family be denied closure.

Lady Lucan and her progeny will possibly know exactly what happened and, if they do, will, in all probability, never make it public; and if they don't the situation will remain as it has for the last 42 years - all speculation and conspiracy theory.

As you will be well aware the aristocracy at that time were far, far, less accountable for their actions than they are now and, because of that, we, mere mortals, are not considered, even today, to be worth the telling of whatever the truth might or might not be.     

I would certainly agree with the much of that. There is absolutely no suggestion though that Lucan and Sandra Rivett were having a sexual relationship (she was nanny to his children but this was after he had moved out into a flat of his own and was not living at the family home). It is quite clear that Lucan was driven to try to get custody of his children and this was his main obsession and is the most likely reason for the terrible series of events, so your comment was inaccurate and, in my view, inappropriate. It seems however that you aren't willing to go as far as to recognise that or even accept the possibility. A shame, but never mind.

[Owlswing]

I would certainly agree with the much of that, and good to see a more 'grown up' response. There is absolutely no suggestion though that Lucan and Sandra Rivett were having a sexual relationship (she was nanny to his children but this was after he had moved out into a flat of his own and was not living at the family home). It is quite clear that Lucan was driven to try to get custody of his children and this was his main obsession and is the most likely reason for the terrible series of events, so your comment was inaccurate and, in my view, inappropriate. It seems however that you aren't willing to go as far as to recognise that or even accept the possibility. A shame, but never mind.

I got as far as the patronising "a more 'grown up' response" and left it there!

[Maeght]

Okay - I've modified my post to remove that since you found it inappropriate. I will repeat however that there is absolutely no suggestion though that Lucan and Sandra Rivett were having a sexual relationship - that to have suggested they were was inaccurate and inappropriate, to have referred to Ms Rivett simply as 'the nanny' reflects how she has almost been forgotten as an individual in this case, and to have appeared to have used this sad murder as some opportunity to have a dig at the aristocracy is in poor taste. I'll leave it at that I think.

[Owlswing]

Okay - I've modified my post to remove that since you found it inappropriate. I will repeat however that there is absolutely no suggestion though that Lucan and Sandra Rivett were having a sexual relationship - that to have suggested they were was inaccurate and inappropriate, to have referred to Ms Rivett simply as 'the nanny' reflects how she has almost been forgotten as an individual in this case, and to have appeared to have used this sad murder as some opportunity to have a dig at the aristocracy is in poor taste. I'll leave it at that I think.

42 years ago I was living in Australia and the newspapers out there were not so cowed by the British upper classes as British papers were (? are), and the speculation about a sexual relationship was rife in Australian papers. There were several attempts via the Australian courts to have such comments and suggestions legally censored; all of which failed on the ground that the courts decided that if there was nothing to the rumours and speculatiun such censorship would be unnecessary.

Such relationships between the aristos and members of their staff was, as far as Aussies of the time were concerned, a continual and hidden social reality right through from Victorian times.

[Red Giant]

What about Elvis.

We know about Elvis.  They found him on the bog.  We don't need to go and watch.

The mystery is how he lived so long.  For most people the fatal dose of those banana fritters would be about 3.

[Shaker]

We know about Elvis.  They found him on the bog.  We don't need to go and watch.

The mystery is how he lived so long.  For most people the fatal dose of those banana fritters would be about 3.

And then there's the fried peanut butter sandwiches ... and then there's the prescription drugs.

I remember hearing years ago that the DEA made the largest ever drugs haul in the entire history of the United States - they dug Elvis up.

[Brownie]

What I was told was that Ms Rivett was having a relationship with Lady Lucan and Lord Lucan caught them at it.  It's so many years ago, I no longer know (or care) whether or not I believe it but I did at the time because of the credibility of the people who told me.  That was hushed up of course and Lucan's friends made sure he got away.
A crime of passion if it was true but I doubt anyone wanted to make it public.

Anyway he spent many years in exile, hopefully he was able to see his children at times and he is now dead so may he rest in peace.

[Sebastian Toe]

........... he is now dead so may he rest in peace.

He has been declared legally dead, he could still be alive!

[Brownie]

True.  Who cares, really?

[Owlswing]

I would certainly agree with the much of that. There is absolutely no suggestion though that Lucan and Sandra Rivett were having a sexual relationship (she was nanny to his children but this was after he had moved out into a flat of his own and was not living at the family home). It is quite clear that Lucan was driven to try to get custody of his children and this was his main obsession and is the most likely reason for the terrible series of events, so your comment was inaccurate and, in my view, inappropriate. It seems however that you aren't willing to go as far as to recognise that or even accept the possibility. A shame, but never mind.

What is your fixation with Sandra Rivett?

It is almost as if she was a relative or friend of yours.

(edited for typo) (again!)

[Brownie]

I don't want to speak for anyone else but it seems to me that referring to Sandra Rivett as "The nanny" (I have been guilty of that), rather than using her name, is somewhat disrespectful, especially as we speak of others by name.  It's almost as though she has been forgotten yet she is the victim.

[Shaker]

I don't want to speak for anyone else but it seems to me that referring to Sandra Rivett as "The nanny" (I have been guilty of that), rather than using her name, is somewhat disrespectful, especially as we speak of others by name.  It's almost as though she has been forgotten yet she is the victim.

I'd have thought that that stems simply from not knowing her name. Anybody even minimally familiar with the Lucan case knows that he supposedly killed the nanny; yet I strongly suspect a straw poll would reveal very, very few indeed who know what the nanny's name was.

[Owlswing]

I'd have thought that that stems simply from not knowing her name. Anybody even minimally familiar with the Lucan case knows that he supposedly killed the nanny; yet I strongly suspect a straw poll would reveal very, very few indeed who know what the nanny's name was.

I certainly didn't until Maeght posted it.

[Khatru]

Strange how Lord Lucan disappeared about the time that Freddy Mercury cut his hair short and grew a tash.

Just saying.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Strange how Lord Lucan disappeared about the time that Freddy Mercury cut his hair short and grew a tash.

Just saying.

So the protruding front teeth were part of his disguise?

[Sebastian Toe]

So the protruding front teeth were part of his disguise?

Must be, they cannot possibly have been real!

[Free Willy]

So the protruding front teeth were part of his disguise?

Are you thinking of Plug from the bash street kids.