When A Man Is In Pain...

[Keith Maitland]

Quote of The Day:

When a man is in pain both women and men reject him.

Instinctively.

Somewhere, deep in our primitive brain, we are hardwired to accept... "a man in pain is a burden"..... A weakness, to be avoided. Like bad water or spoiled food. Unable to fulfill our biological imperative. Neither protector nor provider. An unreliable link in that great chain of human existence.

Life is cruel. Man is afforded scant refuge from the chaos that surrounds us. Lesser still from that within.

[Sriram]

Initially animals also tend to help their weak offspring. But in course of time  they abandon them for their own survival.

Humans also have the same basic instinct no doubt....but we have evolved much beyond that such that we in fact tend to help the weak and disabled even at the cost of our own lives sometimes.  Many strong and able bodied people have sacrificed their lives to save others who are weaker.

We are clearly evolving towards a more humane society reducing more and more the impact of our primitive instincts. Religions have of course helped in the process.

[Rhiannon]

I fundamentally disagree with that, Keith. It's not uncommon for humans to try to alleviate the pain of others, usually because of love in one form or another.

[ippy]

I fundamentally disagree with that, Keith. It's not uncommon for humans to try to alleviate the pain of others, usually because of love in one form or another.

With you on this one Rhi.

ippy   

[Aruntraveller]

Quote of The Day:

What bollocks.

That must be the reason every society has developed some kind of health care (even if only rudimentary in some places) and why children care for their parents when they are ill and vice versa. That must be becasue we are all such unfeeling animals.

Why don't you go and spread your misery elsewhere.

[Shaker]

We are clearly evolving towards a more humane society reducing more and more the impact of our primitive instincts. Religions have of course helped in the process.

That's when they've not been the cause of madness, mayhem, misery, oppression and cruelty in the first place, of course.

[Hope]

Quote of The Day:

Keith, perhaps you coulkd give us the source of that quote - partly for the health of the board and partly so that we see what the context was.

[floo]

When a man is in pain a woman generally rallies round and treats him as one would treat a small child in pain!

[Hope]

That's when they've not been the cause of madness, mayhem, misery, oppression and cruelty in the first place, of course.

You mean in the same way as non-religious ideas have been, Shakes?  Stop digging holes for yourself by trying to make out that only religious thought has been the cause this kind of issue.

[Aruntraveller]

When a man is in pain a woman generally rallies round and treats him as one would treat a small child in pain!

Sexist nonsense.

[Sassy]

Quote of The Day:
When a man is in pain both women and men reject him.

Instinctively.

Somewhere, deep in our primitive brain, we are hardwired to accept... "a man in pain is a burden"..... A weakness, to be avoided. Like bad water or spoiled food. Unable to fulfill our biological imperative. Neither protector nor provider. An unreliable link in that great chain of human existence.

Life is cruel. Man is afforded scant refuge from the chaos that surrounds us. Lesser still from that within.

I know you do not believe this, Keith. So why did you post it?

[Shaker]

You mean in the same way as non-religious ideas have been, Shakes?  Stop digging holes for yourself by trying to make out that only religious thought has been the cause this kind of issue.

I never made such a claim. Sriram, predictably, mentioned religion and I provided a needed corrective to his rosy, cuddly view. If he'd mentioned non-religious ideas in the same context I'd have agreed with him - although would have pointed out the head-start of centuries or even millennia that religion has had.

Somebody who can't even compile a post with deploying a logical fallacy of one kind or another is in no position to pontificate to others about digging holes.

[Hope]

I never made such a claim.

Sorry, Shakes, but you make the implication, overtly or otherwise, with many of your posts.

[Shaker]

Sorry, Shakes, but you make the implication, overtly or otherwise, with many of your posts.

No I didn't. I say what want to say in the words that present themselves to convey what I intend to say - I'm not responsible for whatever bizarre interpretations and constructions you choose, for reasons best known to yourself, to place upon them. That's your problem.

[ippy]

I put it down to how much more sensitive we men are in general, so naturally things like pain and illness do effect us far more than something similar would effect the average woman.

ippy

[OH MY WORLD!]

Shaker, you're so full of BS.  Humans are to blame for their bad behaviour not religion and only an arrogant fool would try and shift the blame.

Keith,
There is a reason nobody invites you to parties, you're the biggest pooper around.

Mental and physical health- well society today is fully to blame for teaching us that if you are ill there comes a point where you lose you dignity and your quality of life. It's culling the herd of it's weak, a promotion for doctor assisted suicide. I have never looked at a physically or mentally ill person and thought to myself they would be better off dead. Our thought should be of lifting the hurting up not whispering in their ear that life isn't worth living. Do you look at a homeless beggar and think, better off dead. You know the overwhelming majority of people that have failed in their suicide attempts have lived on to be thankful for that failure.
Now stand on your head so we can see you smile and how about you changing into somebody that everyone must have at their parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvQBUccxBr4

[Shaker]

Shaker, you're so full of BS.  Humans are to blame for their bad behaviour not religion and only an arrogant fool would try and shift the blame.

Only a special-pleading cretin would try to absolve religious belief, religious dogma, a religious impetus from the long and sorrowful catalogue of human (and other animal) misery which it has inflicted on innumerable beings over millennia.

Mental and physical health- well society today is fully to blame for teaching us that if you are ill there comes a point where you lose you dignity and your quality of life. It's culling the herd of it's weak, a promotion for doctor assisted suicide. I have never looked at a physically or mentally ill person and thought to myself they would be better off dead.

That's not your decision to make. It's theirs.

Regardless, this is not the place for another one of your irrelevant, off-topic rants about your foetus fetish or your arrogation to yourself of other people's choices about the conduct of their own lives.

[OH MY WORLD!]

 To the smartest fella around,
I see, but it is the place for you to spew you hate for religion. Your bloated self importance, your disgusting arrogance, is holding you in chains, it has reduced you to a life sitting in front of the computer, stroking your ego.

Just for you

http://www.stltoday.com/shock-top-super-bowl-commercial-unfiltered-talk-with-t-j/youtube_da152f44-f091-5463-af4b-a1d82020f3a5.html

[Shaker]

To the smartest fella around,
I see, but it is the place for you to spew you hate for religion.

The forum is called "Religion & Ethics", not "Religion & Ethics Only For Those Who Like Religion."

[wigginhall]

I'm not sure how many people reject people in pain; I am pretty sure though that some people are attracted to them.   I expect that's to do with their own pain, and what have you, still, it probably has some power in relationships.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Shaker,
Put down your post police hat for a moment and consider a career selling poo-pourri.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaQ1CdISw8o

[Shaker]

I'm not sure how many people reject people in pain; I am pretty sure though that some people are attracted to them.   I expect that's to do with their own pain, and what have you, still, it probably has some power in relationships.

The unhappy spectacle of the co-dependent relationship

[Humph Warden Bennett]

When a man is in pain a woman generally rallies round and treats him as one would treat a small child in pain!

Rather than saying "You think you are in pain, you should try childbirth" 

[Rhiannon]

What's your evidence for that, Rose?

[Rhiannon]

Life

And yet I've lived too and I think this is a cliche rather than fact.