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Re: Sex education
« Reply #100 on: February 09, 2016, 03:26:59 PM »
Listen, pal! You don't know what I believe.
I observe and draw conclusions from what I observe.
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« Reply #101 on: February 09, 2016, 03:32:45 PM »
No one is limiting what you get up to in your own bedroom, just what we teach young children.

And what is it that you want to teach young people about what gay people do?

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« Reply #102 on: February 09, 2016, 03:40:28 PM »
I observe and draw conclusions from what I observe.

Then you're not very good at doing that.
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« Reply #103 on: February 09, 2016, 03:41:06 PM »
And what is it that you want to teach young people about what gay people do?

Nothing.
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« Reply #104 on: February 09, 2016, 03:45:24 PM »
Listen, pal! You don't know what I believe.

Yes we do - you never tiure of telling us what you believe - and we get a bloody good laugh out of most of it! And get physically sick at the rest of it!
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« Reply #105 on: February 09, 2016, 03:47:48 PM »
Then you're not very good at doing that.
If you want to change the conclusions, change the things you write.

You could start by explaining why we shouldn't teach kids (some of whom, as a matter of simple statistics, will be gay) about homosexuality.
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« Reply #107 on: February 09, 2016, 03:58:12 PM »
That's pagan morality for you. In otherwords, it doesn't exist.
I realise the questions that you can't or won't answer are piling up, but what's not moral about that?
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Re: Sex education
« Reply #108 on: February 09, 2016, 04:00:53 PM »
Moderator:

The tone of the thread seems to have deteriorated, which is a shame for those wanting to discuss a serious issue.

Therefore I'm going to remove a selection of posts and then unlock the thread, and if this recurs those involved can expect further action.

Update: o.k. that has been done, so can we focus on the issue and not on excessively personal matters or on-going spats.
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« Reply #109 on: February 09, 2016, 04:19:52 PM »
NOT when it is in pusuit of a religious agenda of manipulation of facts.

Over-emotional? So are parents of girls who have died or suicied because they have been refused abortions.
How is it manipulation of facts to inform people that abortion is available and then also give them the information on the different procedures at different stages of the foetus' life, as well as give them information on the possible physical, psychological and emotional effects of an abortion - no doubt some people will state that on balance it was a relief, others will express regret, some will have had bleeding and would have required after-care. Which part of this do you feel is not educational and something that should be taken into account when making a choice? What are you suggesting - that if girls knew the reality of abortion they would choose not to have one? Watching child birth videos hasn't seem to have had that effect.

I don't think education policies should be decided on the basis of a few people committing suicide due to lack of access to abortions.

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This is one of then reasons I give up Christianity and have serious doubts about Islam. Idoe;logy firmly rooted in a past century when things were very different to today.

Your Gods are to blame for most sexual problems - if the hadn't wanted people to do sex as soon as their hormones stirred, they, the gods, should not have made acts of sex so pleasurable!

But I forget - your Gods are not responsible for any of humanity's weaknesses only their strengths - what a load of shit!
Regardless of religion, girls are going to feel upset if they have sex and then get pregnant when they don't feel financially or emotionally ready to cope with parenthood, especially if they have no parenting support. They are also often going to feel bad about destroying the potential of their child because they have hormones and maternal instincts that affect their emotional state.

Apart from hormones and family support affecting their emotional state and their choices, their cultural conditioning and emotional attachment to others, their capacity for hard work and  functioning on little sleep, will influence how girls feel about being pregnant during particular stages in their life.

No point hiding all this information from them if you are serious about giving girls the facts and an education.

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« Reply #110 on: February 09, 2016, 04:29:18 PM »
Our youngest girl (4) was at home from play group (school didn't start until 5 in those days) as she had whooping cough. I allowed her to watch the school's programmes on TV, but as I was busy doing the chores didn't pay close attention to what she was watching. By the time I went to check on her I discovered the 'where babies come from' topic had been well covered! She couldn't wait for her older sisters to get in from school so she could give them a blow by blow account! ;D

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« Reply #111 on: February 09, 2016, 04:29:50 PM »
I realise the questions that you can't or won't answer are piling up, but what's not moral about that?

I answered all the questions. They just weren't to your liking.
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« Reply #112 on: February 09, 2016, 04:31:19 PM »
I answered all the questions. They just weren't to your liking.
Feel free to point out the answers to #9, #25, #36, #105, #106, #107 ...
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« Reply #113 on: February 09, 2016, 04:32:01 PM »
If you want to change the conclusions, change the things you write.

You could start by explaining why we shouldn't teach kids (some of whom, as a matter of simple statistics, will be gay) about homosexuality.

I already answered that, because we shouldn't be teaching children immorality.
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« Reply #114 on: February 09, 2016, 04:32:26 PM »
I already answered that, because we shouldn't be teaching children immorality.
Homosexuality isn't immoral though.
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« Reply #115 on: February 09, 2016, 04:34:56 PM »
How is it manipulation of facts to inform people that abortion is available and then also give them the information on the different procedures at different stages of the foetus' life, as well as give them information on the possible physical, psychological and emotional effects of an abortion - no doubt some people will state that on balance it was a relief, others will express regret, some will have had bleeding and would have required after-care. Which part of this do you feel is not educational and something that should be taken into account when making a choice? What are you suggesting - that if girls knew the reality of abortion they would choose not to have one? Watching child birth videos hasn't seem to have had that effect.

I don't think education policies should be decided on the basis of a few people committing suicide due to lack of access to abortions.
Regardless of religion, girls are going to feel upset if they have sex and then get pregnant when they don't feel financially or emotionally ready to cope with parenthood, especially if they have no parenting support. They are also often going to feel bad about destroying the potential of their child because they have hormones and maternal instincts that affect their emotional state.

Apart from hormones and family support affecting their emotional state and their choices, their cultural conditioning and emotional attachment to others, their capacity for hard work and  functioning on little sleep, will influence how girls feel about being pregnant during particular stages in their life.

No point hiding all this information from them if you are serious about giving girls the facts and an education.

I was referring to the proposition that sex education include graphic images of abortions and aborted fśtuses in order to scare the girls so that they would never even consider abortion - something which I find to be beyond the pale whenbased upon religious mores.
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« Reply #116 on: February 09, 2016, 04:35:01 PM »
Homosexuality isn't immoral though.

Homosexual acts are.
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« Reply #117 on: February 09, 2016, 04:35:44 PM »
Homosexual acts are.
No, they're not immoral either.
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« Reply #118 on: February 09, 2016, 04:37:26 PM »
No, they're not immoral either.

Says you and the spirit of the age. However, the morality of both is highly questionable.
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« Reply #119 on: February 09, 2016, 04:38:13 PM »
Homosexuality is NORMAL, and so is consenting adult homosexual sex.

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« Reply #120 on: February 09, 2016, 04:41:13 PM »
Says you and the spirit of the age.
Yup. Progress is the term.
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However, the morality of both is highly questionable.
No it isn't.
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« Reply #121 on: February 09, 2016, 04:42:41 PM »
Says you and the spirit of the age. However, the morality of both is highly questionable.

Nope.

Have you looked at the thread on judgement? You really should.

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« Reply #122 on: February 09, 2016, 05:05:20 PM »
I was referring to the proposition that sex education include graphic images of abortions and aborted fśtuses in order to scare the girls so that they would never even consider abortion - something which I find to be beyond the pale whenbased upon religious mores.
Graphic images are informative and yes they can be scary. Have you watched any childbirth videos recently? Would you suggest that kids should not watch them because all the tearing and bleeding of the vagina, the moaning /screaming accompanying contractions, the gunk, the mess etc would mean they would never consider childbirth?

My recollection is most girls resolved not to give birth immediately after watching the informative video, then as they got older they avoided thinking about the blood and gunk of the informative video, and then as they got older still decided to have kids despite getting even more information about labour and child birth that was not in the informative video.

Why would you think the response to graphic images of abortions would be different? Might even encourage people to be more careful in their use of contraception or they might factor it into their other decisions about having sex - in other words they would be making an informed choice.
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Re: Sex education
« Reply #123 on: February 09, 2016, 05:16:18 PM »
ao,

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Homosexual acts are.

And you think that your personal moral opinion on that should be everyone else's morality too why exactly?
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« Reply #124 on: February 09, 2016, 05:32:05 PM »
ao,

And you think that your personal moral opinion on that should be everyone else's morality too why exactly?

Because it is based upon his warped version of Christian ethics.
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