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« Reply #125 on: February 09, 2016, 05:39:40 PM »

Why would you think the response to graphic images of abortions would be different? Might even encourage people to be more careful in their use of contraception or they might factor it into their other decisions about having sex - in other words they would be making an informed choice.


Yet most of the Christian anti-abortion lot are also anti-birth control, you know, if you don't want to get pregnant don't do sex and if you get sexually frustated don't masturbate either 'cos God doesn't like you doing that!

Oh, and we are going to do absolutely everything we can, including scaring the living shit out of you, to make damn sure that you don't do any of the things that we don't like the idea of you doing 'cos our god, for whose existence we have no proof whatsoever, doesn't think that we should let you.

He made sex really really pleasurable to test you to see if you are as strong (for strong in this contect read stupid) as we are.
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« Reply #126 on: February 09, 2016, 05:48:20 PM »
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Yet most of the Christian anti-abortion lot are also anti-birth control, you know, if you don't want to get pregnant don't do sex and if you get sexually frustated don't masturbate either 'cos God doesn't like you doing that!

Oddly too it's the evangelical right in the US who are most "pro-life" who are also the most pro executing prisoners in jails.

Go figure eh?
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« Reply #127 on: February 09, 2016, 06:02:53 PM »
Owls,

Oddly too it's the evangelical right in the US who are most "pro-life" who are also the most pro executing prisoners in jails.

Go figure eh?

Not surprising. Heretics, eh!
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« Reply #128 on: February 09, 2016, 06:04:48 PM »
Because it is based upon his warped version of Christian ethics.

The scriptures are quite clear. You don't have to ask me.
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« Reply #129 on: February 09, 2016, 07:53:17 PM »
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The scriptures are quite clear. You don't have to ask me.

1. No they're not. You can find other gobbets that contradict the bit on which you rest your bigotry.

2. Why in any case pick that bit rather focus your ire on, say, the shellfish eaters of the mixed fibre wearer?

3. Oh, and that you think the scriptures to be an inerrant guide to moral rectitude is in any case just your personal opinion on the matter. Why on earth would you think that the children of those who don't share that personal opinion should have their education determined by your personal opinion nonetheless?   
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« Reply #130 on: February 09, 2016, 07:56:34 PM »
Yet most of the Christian anti-abortion lot are also anti-birth control, you know, if you don't want to get pregnant don't do sex and if you get sexually frustated don't masturbate either 'cos God doesn't like you doing that!

Oh, and we are going to do absolutely everything we can, including scaring the living shit out of you, to make damn sure that you don't do any of the things that we don't like the idea of you doing 'cos our god, for whose existence we have no proof whatsoever, doesn't think that we should let you.

He made sex really really pleasurable to test you to see if you are as strong (for strong in this contect read stupid) as we are.
You seem very obsessed with being denied the pleasures of sex - for you no other perspective appears to exist. If you thought about something other than your own sex drive you might notice the misery of girls pressured into having sex when they don't feel ready or pressurised to act in a sexual way because other people like the idea of them being available for sex. You have a very biased agenda if all you want to criticise are pressures on people not to have sex.
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« Reply #131 on: February 09, 2016, 07:57:40 PM »
ao,

1. No they're not. You can find other gobbets that contradict the bit on which you rest your bigotry.

2. Why in any case pick that bit rather focus your ire on, say, the shellfish eaters of the mixed fibre wearer?

3. Oh, and that you think the scriptures to be an inerrant guide to moral rectitude is in any case just your personal opinion on the matter. Why on earth would you think that the children of those who don't share that personal opinion should have their education determined by your personal opinion nonetheless?   

1. It is clear. Don't lie.

2. You don't have to go to the law of Moses, which has been abolished, to make the case. It's there in the New Testament.

3. Because Europe is Christian.
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« Reply #132 on: February 09, 2016, 08:16:31 PM »
You seem very obsessed with being denied the pleasures of sex - for you no other perspective appears to exist. If you thought about something other than your own sex drive you might notice the misery of girls pressured into having sex when they don't feel ready or pressurised to act in a sexual way because other people like the idea of them being available for sex. You have a very biased agenda if all you want to criticise are pressures on people not to have sex.

Don't be stupid.

I want everyone to be educated on the pitfalls of sexual activity of any kind.

What I do not want is for it to be done by the use of fear or terror.

You are the one who wants to use blood and guts to pout girls off sex in the hope that they will grow out of the fear!

My own daughter was the subject of a sexual assault so don't lecture me on girls being ppessured into sex that they do not want,

Get this though your skull - I am not in anyway against sex education; what I am against is the methods used - like fear - which you seem to find perfectly acceptable. I suppose you support FGM as a form od chastity enfoircement.
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« Reply #133 on: February 09, 2016, 08:22:49 PM »
ao,

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1. It is clear. Don't lie.

No it's not. Don't lie.

You can find something in Leviticus that supports your bigotry, and you can find various other quotes that don't. The choice is yours.

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2. You don't have to go to the law of Moses, which has been abolished, to make the case. It's there in the New Testament.

Naturally you'll tell us where then, and while you're about it perhaps you'll share you reason for clinging to the homophobic bit but leaving well alone the bits that don't suit you? 

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3. Because Europe is Christian.

1. Actually, most countries in Europe are secular.

2. There are plenty of Christians who don't share your bigotry. Are they the wrong sort of Christians then?

3. It may have escaped your notice, but for the most part European education systems don't teach miracle stories as facts, ancient tribal beliefs as moral philosophy or claims of the hereafter as science. Why then would you expect them to pick just this one part of your personal bigotry to inform the curricula and to ignore the rest? 
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« Reply #134 on: February 09, 2016, 08:31:38 PM »
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. Why then would you expect them to pick just this one part of your personal bigotry to inform the curricula and to ignore the rest?


Because it is Christianity and the normal rules that apply to everyone else do not apply to it.
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« Reply #135 on: February 09, 2016, 08:36:59 PM »
Don't be stupid.

I want everyone to be educated on the pitfalls of sexual activity of any kind.

What I do not want is for it to be done by the use of fear or terror.

You are the one who wants to use blood and guts to pout girls off sex in the hope that they will grow out of the fear!

My own daughter was the subject of a sexual assault so don't lecture me on girls being ppessured into sex that they do not want,

Get this though your skull - I am not in anyway against sex education; what I am against is the methods used - like fear - which you seem to find perfectly acceptable. I suppose you support FGM as a form od chastity enfoircement.
Except I did not say anything about wanting to put girls off sex. I said educate them to make informed choices about all the potential consequences of sex. Whereas your posts seem immaturely obsessed with only one aspect of sex - the pleasure - while ignoring the reality that sex is not just about pleasure. Why do you want to hide the reality of abortions from the people who might actually have to go through them? What's your agenda?

And what's with all the melodramatic posturing about fear? What do you think girls feel when they look at a video of child birth in sex education classes? Do you imagine they clap their hands with joy and go I can't wait to lie around with my legs spread open while people stick their hands inside of me, while ripping a very sensitive part of my anatomy, bleeding like a stuck pig and quite possibly pooing on the table while I push out something approaching the size of a large melon?
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« Reply #136 on: February 09, 2016, 08:38:42 PM »
3. Because Europe is Christian.
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« Reply #137 on: February 09, 2016, 09:11:33 PM »
Except I did not say anything about wanting to put girls off sex. I said educate them to make informed choices about all the potential consequences of sex. Whereas your posts seem immaturely obsessed with only one aspect of sex - the pleasure - while ignoring the reality that sex is not just about pleasure. Why do you want to hide the reality of abortions from the people who might actually have to go through them? What's your agenda?

And what's with all the melodramatic posturing about fear? What do you think girls feel when they look at a video of child birth in sex education classes? Do you imagine they clap their hands with joy and go I can't wait to lie around with my legs spread open while people stick their hands inside of me, while ripping a very sensitive part of my anatomy, bleeding like a stuck pig and quite possibly pooing on the table while I push out something approaching the size of a large melon?

I give up - you are as bad as the Christians - you just will not listen!
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« Reply #138 on: February 09, 2016, 09:12:41 PM »
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What year is it where you live?

Or more pertinently, which century?
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« Reply #139 on: February 09, 2016, 09:38:30 PM »
Shakes,

Or more pertinently, which century?

Anywhere between the 1st and the 15th (approximately)!
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« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2016, 10:03:56 PM »
.......you might notice the misery of girls pressured into having sex when they don't feel ready or pressurised to act in a sexual way because other people like the idea of them being available for sex.

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« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2016, 10:12:49 PM »
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And what's with all the melodramatic posturing about fear? What do you think girls feel when they look at a video of child birth in sex education classes? Do you imagine they clap their hands with joy and go I can't wait to lie around with my legs spread open while people stick their hands inside of me, while ripping a very sensitive part of my anatomy, bleeding like a stuck pig and quite possibly pooing on the table while I push out something approaching the size of a large melon?

Dear me - I was there for the births of all four of our children, and that's not a description that resonates for me particularly (though for one of them Mrs b did squeeze my hand hard and it really hurt. Did she apologise? Did she eckers-like...).

Anyways, I digress - isn't this "this is childbirth then girls" approach as narrow in its way as no sex ed at all? I heartily support sex ed, but there's a lot more to having children than the birth itself I'd have thought and surely sex ed should reflect that too shouldn't it? 
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« Reply #142 on: February 10, 2016, 07:44:39 AM »
No it's not. Don't lie.

You can find something in Leviticus that supports your bigotry, and you can find various other quotes that don't. The choice is yours.

As I said, you don't have to go to the law of Moses to make the case. The New Testament does just as good a job. Try Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:9-10 and Jude 1:7. It is beyond dispute for those who are not ignorant of the scriptures.


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Naturally you'll tell us where then, and while you're about it perhaps you'll share you reason for clinging to the homophobic bit but leaving well alone the bits that don't suit you? 

No one is clinging on to any bit of it. The New Testament tells us enough about the immorality of homosexual acts without having to cling onto any part of the law. The law of Moses was abolished when Christ died on the cross as the Apostle tells us, "but now in Christ Jesus, you, who some time were afar off, are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and breaking down the middle wall of partition, the enmities in his flesh: making void the law of commandments contained in decrees; that he might make the two in himself into one new man, making peace; and might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, killing the enmities in himself" and, "when you were dead in your sins, and the uncircumcision of your flesh; he hath quickened together with him, forgiving you all offences: blotting out the handwriting of the decree that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he hath taken the same out of the way, fastening it to the cross".


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1. Actually, most countries in Europe are secular.

Most states at the governmental level are apostate, the natural and inevitable result of the Deformation. A different thing.


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2. There are plenty of Christians who don't share your bigotry. Are they the wrong sort of Christians then?

They are Christians led astray by the devil, being enamoured of the spirit of the age, who call bad good and good bad.


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3. It may have escaped your notice, but for the most part European education systems don't teach miracle stories as facts, ancient tribal beliefs as moral philosophy or claims of the hereafter as science. Why then would you expect them to pick just this one part of your personal bigotry to inform the curricula and to ignore the rest?

That homosexual acts are so contrary to the purpose of sex is a clue.
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« Reply #143 on: February 10, 2016, 08:23:17 AM »
I don't accept any of the nonsense that you quote from the bible.

I want to know how you think it benefits society to discriminate against gay people?

You have not answered this.

You have failed to grasp that there are gay kids who suffer becuase of the kind of ignorance you are currently espousing.

Is that what Christians do - make others suffer because they are different in one small insignificant way?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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« Reply #144 on: February 10, 2016, 08:27:02 AM »
I don't accept any of the nonsense that you quote from the bible.

I want to know how you think it benefits society to discriminate against gay people?

You have not answered this.

You have failed to grasp that there are gay kids who suffer becuase of the kind of ignorance you are currently espousing.

Is that what Christians do - make others suffer because they are different in one small insignificant way?

You should be ashamed of yourself.


Read his posts again, Trent, he is actually proud of himself and his Orthodoxy - if he were any more proud he would burst!
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« Reply #145 on: February 10, 2016, 08:34:31 AM »
As I said, you don't have to go to the law of Moses to make the case. The New Testament does just as good a job. Try Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:9-10 and Jude 1:7. It is beyond dispute for those who are not ignorant of the scriptures.


No one is clinging on to any bit of it. The New Testament tells us enough about the immorality of homosexual acts without having to cling onto any part of the law. The law of Moses was abolished when Christ died on the cross as the Apostle tells us, "but now in Christ Jesus, you, who some time were afar off, are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and breaking down the middle wall of partition, the enmities in his flesh: making void the law of commandments contained in decrees; that he might make the two in himself into one new man, making peace; and might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, killing the enmities in himself" and, "when you were dead in your sins, and the uncircumcision of your flesh; he hath quickened together with him, forgiving you all offences: blotting out the handwriting of the decree that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he hath taken the same out of the way, fastening it to the cross".


Most states at the governmental level are apostate, the natural and inevitable result of the Deformation. A different thing.


They are Christians led astray by the devil, being enamoured of the spirit of the age, who call bad good and good bad.


That homosexual acts are so contrary to the purpose of sex is a clue.

The Bible is WRONG on the topic of homosexuality, as it is wrong about many other things! The documents making up that book were written a very long time ago, we now live in the 21st century where decent people have an enlightened approach to homosexuality! I get annoyed when bigots use the Bible as an excuse for their nastiness!

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« Reply #146 on: February 10, 2016, 10:07:38 AM »
Dear ad o,

That Corinthians 6:9.10 is a cracker

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9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Fornicator, guilty, drunkard, guilty more times than fornicator but not for want of trying, thief, guilty, covetous, guilty, effeminate, guilty, looks like I will not be inheriting the Kingdom.

What about you old son,
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The above quotes are from the Gospels, not Romans, not Corinthians, not Timothy or Jude, go and read the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ not his followers.

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« Reply #147 on: February 10, 2016, 10:15:40 AM »
Nice post there, Gonners.

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« Reply #148 on: February 10, 2016, 10:17:29 AM »
Nice post there, Gonners.

It is indeed.

In one word - compassionate.
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« Reply #149 on: February 10, 2016, 10:19:32 AM »
Dear ad o,

That Corinthians 6:9.10 is a cracker

Fornicator, guilty, drunkard, guilty more times than fornicator but not for want of trying, thief, guilty, covetous, guilty, effeminate, guilty, looks like I will not be inheriting the Kingdom.

What about you old son,
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Either you accept all the scriptures or none. Nowhere does our Lord say we are to approve of sin. The Lord says through the prophet Isaias "Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter".
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