Sex education

[floo]

Either you accept all the scriptures or none. Nowhere does our Lord say we are to approve of sin. The Lord says through the prophet Isaias "Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter".

He never once condemned homosexuality, possibly because he was gay himself!

[Leonard James]

He never once condemned homosexuality, possibly because he was gay himself!

True! The condemnation of homosexuality came not from Jesus, but from self-styled conveyors of the word of "God".

[Aruntraveller]

One has to wonder at the self deception necessary to perform the kind of mental acrobatics on display that justify turning on others when you should perhaps be concentrating on the beam in your eye.

Enjoy a drink - justifiable.

A little gamble - justifiable.

Show love for someone of the same sex - the world will end.

You have seriously screwed priorities.

[ad_orientem]

He never once condemned homosexuality, possibly because he was gay himself!

Of course you would like to think that but in reality that is just laughable and something no one takes seriously.

[ad_orientem]

True! The condemnation of homosexuality came not from Jesus, but from self-styled conveyors of the word of "God".

It comes from God himself.

[Leonard James]

Of course you would like to think that but in reality that is just laughable and something no one takes seriously.

Then "no one" should try being less idiotically dogmatic. It is entirely possible.

What are your reasons for not allowing the possibility?

[ad_orientem]

Then "no one" should try being less idiotically dogmatic. It is entirely possible.

What are your reasons for not allowing the possibility?

Because he would have been sinful, yet he was sinless.

[Leonard James]

Because he would have been sinful, yet he was sinless.

The 'sinful' you are talking about is only according to a very few Bible texts written, as I said, by self-styled interpreters of their "God's" wishes.

[ad_orientem]

The 'sinful' you are talking about is only according to a very few Bible texts written, as I said, by self-styled interpreters of their "God's" wishes.

The Holy Spirit, who spoke through them, is God. You're making a false dichotomy.

[Leonard James]

The Holy Spirit, who spoke through them, is God. You're making a false dichotomy.

So you believe anybody who says they are guided by the HS?

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad o,

Sorry mate, friend, you can quote all the Saints and all the Prophets you want, you can try and twist the words spoken by Our Lord, you can point to Old Testament, you can point to words spoken by his followers, me, I am a simple Christian, I follow the words of Christ, Christ trumps any Saint or Prophet.

I am not much of a Bible thumper but this is where you should start every morning, it then stops being about them ( whoever them is ) and becomes all about you, a life time of searching your own soul, I am to old now to be chucking stones, Arthritis has stepped in.

Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad o,

Now that is weird, I did not put that last bit in bold, honestly, right hand up to God ( did you ever do that as a child, trying to convince your mates that you were telling the truth, right hand up to God ) God is working in this forum, The Lord moves in Mysterious ways

Gonnagle.

[ad_orientem]

Dear ad o,

Sorry mate, friend, you can quote all the Saints and all the Prophets you want, you can try and twist the words spoken by Our Lord, you can point to Old Testament, you can point to words spoken by his followers, me, I am a simple Christian, I follow the words of Christ, Christ trumps any Saint or Prophet.

I am not much of a Bible thumper but this is where you should start every morning, it then stops being about them ( whoever them is ) and becomes all about you, a life time of searching your own soul, I am to old now to be chucking stones, Arthritis has stepped in.

Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Gonnagle.

But again, where does our Lord tell us to approve of sin?

[ad_orientem]

So you believe anybody who says they are guided by the HS?

No, not anybody. Certainly those the Church has always recognised, I do.

[floo]

Of course you would like to think that but in reality that is just laughable and something no one takes seriously.

No one?

[floo]

No, not anybody. Certainly those the Church has always recognised, I do.

So what? It doesn't mean you have any credibility or it makes you a decent person!

[Leonard James]

No, not anybody. Certainly those the Church has always recognised, I do.

So you believe they are guided by the HS because somebody else has said they are? 

[floo]

Anyway getting back to the topic in question, some of the unpleasant replies on this thread back up the proposition no way should children be withdrawn from sex education classes

[Shaker]

So you believe they are guided by the HS because somebody else has said they are? 

Everything ad_o purports to believe in is because someone else has said it - whichever of the Heinz 57 varieties of Christianity he happens to belong to this month. There are some unfortunates around who never feel reasonably secure in the world until and unless they're being told what and how to think by what they perceive to be people and organisations claiming (a wholly spurious) authority, and he's one of them.

It's certainly easier to live as though somebody else has already got it all figured out and you just have to lap it all up, no doubt about it. But it's lazy, cowardly, mindless and in the end deadening.

On this subject I can only refer to the inspiring words of the late Hitch:

... when Socrates was sentenced to death for his philosophical investigations, and for blasphemy for challenging the gods of the city — and he accepted his death — he did say, well, if we are lucky, perhaps I’ll be able to hold conversation with other great thinkers and philosophers and doubters too. In other words the discussion about what is good, what is beautiful, what is noble, what is pure, and what is true could always go on.

Why is that important, why would I like to do that? Because that’s the only conversation worth having. And whether it goes on or not after I die, I don’t know. But I do know that that’s the conversation I want to have while I’m still alive. Which means that to me, the offer of certainty, the offer of complete security, the offer of an impermeable faith that can’t give way, is an offer of something not worth having. I want to live my life taking the risk all the time that I don’t know anything like enough yet; that I haven’t understood enough; that I can’t know enough; that I’m always hungrily operating on the margins of a potentially great harvest of future knowledge and wisdom. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

And I’d urge you to look at ... those people who tell you, at your age, that you’re dead till you believe as they do — what a terrible thing to be telling to children! And that you can only live by accepting an absolute authority — don’t think of that as a gift. Think of it as a poisoned chalice. Push it aside however tempting it is. Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad o,

But again, where does our Lord tell us to approve of sin?

Boy!! you Christian types are hard work.

Nevermind, whilst me and you discuss Scripture, people are dying being persecuted because of words written in a stupid old book, and that is what it becomes when people use it to persecute Gods children.

Gonnagle.

[Owlswing]

Anyway getting back to the topic in question, some of the unpleasant replies on this thread back up the proposition no way should children be withdrawn from sex education classes

With the proviso that the Sex Ed is factual and based upon medical precepts and not religious ones.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

That's right - scare the living shit out of the (other people's - you will do it to your own before they get to school) children and thus make bloody sure that they follow the "Christinan" way. As if having to decide to have an abortion was not traumatic enough!

This is an attitude that Ad_O would be proud of! An Orthodox attitude and, Humph, your religious prejudices are showing.

By that reasoning you would disapprove of workplace induction courses giving definitions of sexual harassement on the grounds that it might frighten young people?

Many young people work in building society offices threatening people with eviction if they cannot keep up their mortgage payments. If it was up to me I would send all such people to the actual evictions so they know exactly what happens. Evicting people aint just a matter of printing off a letter.

[Shaker]

Many young people work in building society offices threatening people with eviction if they cannot keep up their mortgage payments. If it was up to me I would send all such people to the actual evictions so they know exactly what happens. Evicting people aint just a matter of printing off a letter.

While I couldn't agree with you more than I do, would it actually make any difference? Would they act otherwise - if they wanted to keep their job?

[ad_orientem]

Dear ad o,

Boy!! you Christian types are hard work.

Nevermind, whilst me and you discuss Scripture, people are dying being persecuted because of words written in a stupid old book, and that is what it becomes when people use it to persecute Gods children.

Gonnagle.

You're avoiding, Gonners, because you know I'm right.

[Owlswing]

By that reasoning you would disapprove of workplace induction courses giving definitions of sexual harassement on the grounds that it might frighten young people?

Many young people work in building society offices threatening people with eviction if they cannot keep up their mortgage payments. If it was up to me I would send all such people to the actual evictions so they know exactly what happens. Evicting people aint just a matter of printing off a letter.

Taking the argument to the point of absurdity in quite usual for Christians on here when they know they are wrong.