New Sectarianism

[Nearly Sane]

In a city with a long history of religious sectarian violence, this has been depressing. It now appears that the person arrested may have driven up from Bradford to stab someone for believing in the same god, but differently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35904406

[Rhiannon]

I've been following this story over the past few days with a deep sadness. There just aren't the words.

[Nearly Sane]

One of my friends used the shop frequently. Says Mr Shah was a happy gentle soul whom the community loved.

[Leonard James]

I hope they catch the callous bastard who did this and lock him up for life.

[Bubbles]

I hope they catch the callous bastard who did this and lock him up for life.

Yes so do I,  they have arrested some one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35898543

They seem to not be releasing much info.

I read somewhere that he was an ahmadiyya ( the shopkeeper )

They are quite liberal, as he appears to have been. (. Liberal as in friendly to other faiths etc)

[Nearly Sane]

We will have to wait and see the details but currently it may be his liberal approach that was the issue


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-believe-asad-shah-killer-7636748

[Shaker]

One of the more depressing stories I've read in quite a while

[Bubbles]

We will have to wait and see the details but currently it may be his liberal approach that was the issue


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-believe-asad-shah-killer-7636748

Interestingly it says

"A man, 32, arrested in connection with the killing could not appear in court yesterday because he was recovering from injuries in hospital.

He is now expected to appear at Glasgow Sheriff Court on Tuesday."

I wonder what happened to him?

Hmmmm! Perhaps someone disapproved and clocked him one.

[Jack Knave]

In a city with a long history of religious sectarian violence, this has been depressing. It now appears that the person arrested may have driven up from Bradford to stab someone for believing in the same god, but differently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35904406

If that is true then we are looking at ISIS inspired people, I would of thought......?

[Nearly Sane]

If that is true then we are looking at ISIS inspired people, I would of thought......?

Are we? Who knows? Are you suggesting that there was no such violence pre ISIS?

[Jack Knave]

Are we? Who knows? Are you suggesting that there was no such violence pre ISIS?

The "I would of thought....?" casts some doubt into what I had said on my part.

I don't know. But if it was due to a different perspective of the Muslim religion then ISIS type inspired ideas would be a possibility.

What I am suggesting is that before it was attacks on society generally, on British life. This is Muslim on Muslim, is it not?, which I have not come across before here in the UK - have you or anybody else?

[Nearly Sane]

So if you haven't come across it, how can you suggest the cause?

[Udayana]

He was an ahmadiyya , hence considered a heretic or apostate by most Muslims. They have been persecuted in Pakistan for decades, well before any of the current terrorist groups were around.
 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jack,

What I am suggesting is that before it was attacks on society generally, on British life. This is Muslim on Muslim, is it not?, which I have not come across before here in the UK - have you or anybody else?

It still is, it is not them and us, it is just us.

Gonnagle.

[Jack Knave]

So if you haven't come across it, how can you suggest the cause?

Because that is what ISIS is doing in Iraq and Syria. They see Muslims who do not follow their brand of Islam as an abomination to Allah and must die. Those who have joined their cause here in the UK would naturally take on a similar attitude. So there is the possibility that this killing was inspired from this.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Jack,

It still is, it is not them and us, it is just us.

Gonnagle.

No, Gonny, that is just bland crap. To deny that there are groups and classes and sub-sets etc. is to be blind to the reality of life and mankind's psychology and nature. If you don't look at life in its true form it will come back and bit you. This naïve attitude is what makes people go into lion cages to give the beast a loving hug.

[Nearly Sane]

No, Gonny, that is just bland crap. To deny that there are groups and classes and sub-sets etc. is to be blind to the reality of life and mankind's psychology and nature. If you don't look at life in its true form it will come back and bit you. This naïve attitude is what makes people go into lion cages to give the beast a loving hug.

And it is precisely the declaring of such subsets that leads to the stabbing.

[Jack Knave]

And it is precisely the declaring of such subsets that leads to the stabbing.

Oh dear. The sub-set and what not are not consciously and intellectually demarcated they are an instinctual and for a large portion unconscious process. This Leftie, Marxist idea that people can be programmed to be docile non-judgemental beings is just laughable. 

[Nearly Sane]

Oh dear. The sub-set and what not are not consciously and intellectually demarcated they are an instinctual and for a large portion unconscious process. This Leftie, Marxist idea that people can be programmed to be docile non-judgemental beings is just laughable. 

My, what a shiny mirror!

[JP]

There are more "sub-sets" in the country than there has ever been. The country is becoming more fragmented because of this.

[Nearly Sane]

There are more "sub-sets" in the country than there has ever been. The country is becoming more fragmented because of this.

And is a unified country necessarily a good thing? There are few 'sub sets' in North Korea.

[JP]

If unified means people don't despise another to the point of stabbing a complete stranger because of a frankly laughable religious belief then yes, I think a unified country is a good thing.

This is in part why that poor bloke died - look at the one from "Dilly" Hussain

https://twitter.com/cemb_forum/status/648047580090396672

[Nearly Sane]

If unified means people don't despise another to the point of stabbing a complete stranger because of a frankly laughable religious belief then yes, I think a unified country is a good thing.

This is in part why that poor bloke died - look at the one from "Dilly" Hussain

https://twitter.com/cemb_forum/status/648047580090396672

But does unified mean that? Seems to me you are just circularly saying you would like people not to be stabbed, which I agree with, and then saying that a unified country would not have this because you have defined a unified country as one that doesn't have such stabbings. It seems incredibly circular.

[JP]

I did not say stabbings would never happen, however it is my opinion where there is more division there could well be a tendancy for less tolerence.

Did you see the intolerence in the tweet? I am sure we had enough of our own, which as a nation we were starting to get over, before we imported that.

[Nearly Sane]

I did not say stabbings would never happen, however it is my opinion where there is more division there could well be a tendancy for less tolerence.

Did you see the intolerence in the tweet? I am sure we had enough of our own, which as a nation we were starting to get over, before we imported that.

  So a country that tolerates no disagreement which is what you seem to propose  is tolerant. There was this bloke that wrote of this type of attitude, wrote under the name Orwell, perhaps you've heard of him?