Have you all sent back the EU brochure yet?

[jakswan]

It won't just automatically continue beyond two years, it will have to be re-negotiated and if we are lucky it will be similar to our current deal - but it will have strings attached.

Know the future do you?

A large amount of it is technical stuff about product standards - not the kind of material that interests most people, though for some reason it enrages UKIP.

Take it up with UKIP then.

Norway and Switzerland have to comply to a large amount of EU law in order to trade, there is no reason to believe that any deal we got would be significantly different.

They have to comply with regulations as does any country when exporting to another. So the UK has to comply with US regulations when exporting goods to the US, same with Australia, etc.

I think that is a very naive view - in any negotiation power counts.

Lets try a practical example I want to provide a service for my company, it will take you ten weeks and we're going to pay you £1.  You going to do it or would you tell us where to go?

[L.A.]

Know the future do you?

I'd certainly put money on it.

Take it up with UKIP then.

The silly buggers are in your camp - you try and get some sense out of them!

They have to comply with regulations as does any country when exporting to another. So the UK has to comply with US regulations when exporting goods to the US, same with Australia, etc.

Our relationship with the EU is closer than the US or Australia (at least from the trade POV) there are no tariffs and free movements of goods and labour - major advantages if you are running a company that trades with Europe.

Lets try a practical example I want to provide a service for my company, it will take you ten weeks and we're going to pay you £1.  You going to do it or would you tell us where to go?

You chose an extreme example but it's not a million miles from the way that businesses in certain countries treat their workers!

If you have the power, you call the shots. Of course we would get deals to access world markets, but no one will be doing us any favours.

[jakswan]

Was talking to folk at church this morning - no-one has had it.  Was it only for England?

The folk at the Church can read, wow!

[ippy]

That's what you're entitled to do, ippy
Thanks for confirming what I wrote.

Hope that second part of this post of yours, I wouldn't advocate having you hung up by your thumbs for it.
 
I posted : The UKIP brochures weren't financed by the UK government ..

Your answer: Thanks for confirming what I wrote.

In the context of our exchange that has to be one of the more outrageous examples of your penchant, for quoting out of context, quite dishonest of you again.

Moderator: content removed.

ippy

[Brownie]

If you look back at Hope's post, ippy, he does say, ''..even if it was private money''.

[Hope]

Hope that second part of this post of yours, I wouldn't advocate having you hung up by your thumbs for it.
 
I posted : The UKIP brochures weren't financed by the UK government ..

Your answer: Thanks for confirming what I wrote.

In the context of our exchange that has to be one of the more outrageous examples of your penchant, for quoting out of context, quite dishonest of you again.

As Brownie points out in her post, ippy, your comment about the UKIP brochures not being financed by the UK government simply restated the point that I had made in the original post - ' ... even if it was private money.'

I look forward to an apology for your subsequent language.

[ippy]

As Brownie points out in her post, ippy, your comment about the UKIP brochures not being financed by the UK government simply restated the point that I had made in the original post - ' ... even if it was private money.'

I look forward to an apology for your subsequent language.

The whole point as conveyed by my posts referred to public money being spent on propaganda, private money provided for or against the referendum had nothing to do with any of my posts sent in your general direction.

You have an unfailing history of misrepresentation, the written equivalent of re editing the tape, which is dishonest;Moderator: content removed.

ippy
 

[Nearly Sane]

The whole point as conveyed by my posts referred to public money being spent on propaganda, private money provided for or against the referendum had nothing to do with any of my posts sent in your general direction.

You have an unfailing history of misrepresentation, the written equivalent of re editing the tape, which is dishonest;Moderator: quoted content removed.

ippy
 

What has Hope said that in this case is incorrect, never mind deliberate misrepresentation?

And just to note using spmeone's previous deliberate misrepresenting something to claim that they are in this case, is the ad hominem fallacy

[Hope]

The whole point as conveyed by my posts referred to public money being spent on propaganda, private money provided for or against the referendum had nothing to do with any of my posts sent in your general direction.

You have an unfailing history of misrepresentation, the written equivalent of re editing the tape, which is dishonest; Moderator: quoted content removed.

Moderator: content removed.

[ippy]

What has Hope said that in this case is incorrect, never mind deliberate misrepresentation?

And just to note using spmeone's previous deliberate misrepresenting something to claim that they are in this case, is the ad hominem fallacy

If it bothers you NS you read back to the posts concerned and make whatever you please.

ippy 

[ippy]

Moderator: quoted content removed.

I don't owe you any kind of an apology Hope.

ippy

[Hope]

I don't owe you any kind of an apology Hope.

ippy

OK, I'll treat you as someone who's comments needn't be regarded with any value.

[Gordon]

Moderator:

Can I just point out that this thread is about the EU brochure, so feel free to discuss that. However, it is not about other issues on other subjects on other threads and we will be reviewing some of these posts shortly.

As part of this, given the subject matter, this thread is on the wrong Board so we'll consider moving it.

Update: having had a quick look I'm going to remove any off-topic references to homosexuality and the like, however these are couched. I'm going to lock the thread temporarily since I'm on a hand-held and since I need to document my actions. I'll need some time but will unlock when I'm finished.

Further update: I've now removed content from posts made by both ippy and Hope, and also any quotes of the Modded content. I'm going to unlock this now and move the thread to 'Politics' in the hope that there will be no further instances of off-topic comments.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

When Am I going to get my brochure from a well heeled out campaign telling me exactly what will happen in the event of a Brexit........?

[ProfessorDavey]

Perhaps the Out campaign ought to be allowed the same sum to send out a leaflet explaining their position.

They are - in the campaign proper both official campaigning groups are allowed a leaflet drop to all households.

And I suspect this will also cost a similar amount given that the main cost is delivery. So it's a bit hypocritical of the leave campaign complaining about the cost to the tax payer when their own campaigning material will cost a similar amount to the tax payer in due course.

[SqueakyVoice]

When Am I going to get my brochure from a well heeled out campaign telling me exactly what will happen in the event of a Brexit........?

The only thing we can be sure of is that if we leave the EU the people in charge of the negotiations will be (a combination of) David Cameron, George Osborne, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson.

Which would be fine if the negotiations were about  how much money to out into off-shore investment vehicles and which butler was in charge of the martinis....

[ippy]

I thought we were the fifth largest economy in the world, sounds pretty good in trading terms to me, so Europe will be cutting us out of all sorts of trading avenues, why would they be doing that?

There's so many options? when we have at last broken away from them we can have and control our borders and do business with everybody, including European countries; why wouldn't most of them want to do business with us here in the UK?

ippy

[~TW~]

Morning just a quick look at this dying forum and for floo who wants to stay in

                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokwQi15pO0

  If you have a brain you will vote out.

                            ~TW~

[floo]

Morning just a quick look at this dying forum and for floo who wants to stay in

                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokwQi15pO0

  If you have a brain you will vote out.

                            ~TW~

 

[~TW~]

 That reply sums you up,you have not had time to watch it,you are a complete birdbrain and a clown now go away and watch it.

 ~TW~

[ProfessorDavey]

I thought we were the fifth largest economy in the world

We are currently part of the largest economy in the world - the EU. Why would we trade being top for being 5th.

And of course who has the bargaining power in negotiations between the largest economy in the world and the 5th largest, which is 6 times smaller. Not rocket science.

[~TW~]

We are currently part of the largest economy in the world - the EU. Why would we trade being top for being 5th.

And of course who has the bargaining power in negotiations between the largest economy in the world and the 5th largest, which is 6 times smaller. Not rocket science.

 You need to brush down your imagination have you noticed with all this trade and bargaining power we are skint. Your Rocket science keeps backfiring.

  Watch the video.

                  ~TW~

[Bubbles]

Morning just a quick look at this dying forum and for floo who wants to stay in

                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokwQi15pO0

  If you have a brain you will vote out.

                            ~TW~

 

[~TW~]

 

 so Rose did you watch the video?

                   ~TW~

[Aruntraveller]

You need to brush down your imagination have you noticed with all this trade and bargaining power we are skint. Your Rocket science keeps backfiring.

  Watch the video.

                  ~TW~

Except we aren't skint. We've been sold a narrative telling us we are skint. There is a difference.

You appear to be stupid enough to believe it.

This is an interesting read:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/04/britain-not-broke

Although from 2013 the main thrust of the argument still applies.