Farage irony

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I'd more concerned now Farage has gone, Suzanne Evans, Douglas Carswell are not as divisive and could see UKIP become more popular.

Suzanne Evans is a loud and ill mannered cow who would hopefully show Pukip for what they are. Carswell is more of an acceptable politician, he would worry me the most (assuming that he does not get expelled).

[L.A.]

You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off after 40 years of shit and the dismantling of this country,we will take it back and Farage opened the eyes of some, in time you whingers scroungers  might see it.

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This country is certainly a lot worse off today than it was on the 23rd of June and that bastard Farage is the chief culprit!

[jeremyp]

You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off

Pound sinking, relations with our neighbours screwed, many more racist incidents, both main political parties rudderless and in chaos, two of the three Vote Leave triumvirate deserting, the other one the most hated man in Britain.

Yes, I'd say we are worse off.

after 40 years of shit

Human rights, workers rights, tariff free trade with Europe, ability to work in any EU country, that shit?

and the dismantling of this country

Which is now going to happen when Scotland deserts us.

Good job TW.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Farage, chief culpirt? no, sorry, but the chief culprit is Cameron, not Boris, not Gove, not Farage, and certainly not Corbyn, Cameron is the man, all the blame lies on his shoulders.

He was told by his anti EU colleagues that the EU was failing, Farage with all his bluster told him the EU was not working, all the signs were there that the EU needed overhauling, I can't help but think if Maggie was still in charge she would have told them all where to go, Mr Cameron had no backbone for a fight, maybe because of personal reasons, maybe because he had warned us all that he wanted out.

There was infighting amongst his party way before all this EU nonsense, and personally I never thought he had the necessary to be a leader.

If he truly had British interests at heart he would have been shouting from the roof tops about the state of the EU's economy, he would have had immigration at the heart of talks.

I think he was quite happy to cosy up to all the big players in Europe, he thought this was the safest and easiest option, but now he has been caught with his trousers down, his weakness as a leader has been his downfall, not to mention him bringing us all down with him.

Gonnagle.

[Bubbles]

Farage has stepped down from the UKIP leadership

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

[floo]

Farage has stepped down from the UKIP leadership

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

That has already been mentioned, keep up Rose!

[Brownie]

Not for the first time.

[Sebastian Toe]

You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off after 40 years of shit and the dismantling of this country,we will take it back and Farage opened the eyes of some, in time you whingers scroungers  might see it.

So c u when I next care to log in.

              ~TW~

Bye, hope to hear from you, maybe in 2023?
( which will be five years to soon at least)

[L.A.]

Farage has stepped down from the UKIP leadership

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

I'd have preferred it if he'd stepped into a tank of sharks.

[jakswan]

Suzanne Evans is a loud and ill mannered cow who would hopefully show Pukip for what they are. Carswell is more of an acceptable politician, he would worry me the most (assuming that he does not get expelled).

We get the politicians we deserve as your post demonstrates. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

We get the politicians we deserve as your post demonstrates.

What's this talk of expelling Carswell?

[Brownie]

Just talk atm.
http://news.sky.com/story/1648918/ukip-infighting-over-rival-leave-eu-campaigns

[Harrowby Hall]

Dear Lapsed,

Farage, chief culpirt? no, sorry, but the chief culprit is Cameron, not Boris, not Gove, not Farage, and certainly not Corbyn, Cameron is the man, all the blame lies on his shoulders.

He was told by his anti EU colleagues that the EU was failing, Farage with all his bluster told him the EU was not working, all the signs were there that the EU needed overhauling, I can't help but think if Maggie was still in charge she would have told them all where to go, Mr Cameron had no backbone for a fight, maybe because of personal reasons, maybe because he had warned us all that he wanted out.

There was infighting amongst his party way before all this EU nonsense, and personally I never thought he had the necessary to be a leader.

If he truly had British interests at heart he would have been shouting from the roof tops about the state of the EU's economy, he would have had immigration at the heart of talks.

I think he was quite happy to cosy up to all the big players in Europe, he thought this was the safest and easiest option, but now he has been caught with his trousers down, his weakness as a leader has been his downfall, not to mention him bringing us all down with him.

Gonnagle.

This is all very interesting, Gonners,but I don't think your analysis is quite right.

Cameron is certainly the villain of this piece but not for the reasons you give. At no time did Cameron think that the EU was failing, he was a supporter.

No, Cameron put the interests of his party before the interests of the country.

He organised the referendum expecting it to show "remain" so that he could put boot into neanderthals like Duncan Smith and Redwood and all the other right-wingers who were bleating about the EU. He put party before country after the Scottish referendum, too. He could have organised a commission to look at the British Constitution to see how it could be dragged into the 21st century (this could have include EU membership). But no, he chose to rely on EVEL - he figured that the Conservative Party would have a permanent majority in England and chose the most advantageous option.

Now it has all gone wrong and he has been made to look an idiot. His problems are all self-inflicted

[Hope]

I don't think Farage is insane, like I believe Trump to be.

I'd say the opposite.  Farage has absolutely no idea what he is talking about and/or the consequences of what he says.  Trump is inteligent enough to know the first, even if he doesn't manage the second.

[Hope]

You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off after 40 years of shit and the dismantling of this country,we will take it back and Farage opened the eyes of some, in time you whingers scroungers  might see it.

So c u when I next care to log in.

              ~TW~

~TW~, we aren't necessarily out.  Remember that the referendum is only advisory, and despite Cameron saying that he would accept he result, it can't occur until 1) an Act of Parliament is passed by the 650-odd MPs in the House of Commons (the majority of whom are against Brexit) - and 2) Article 50 has been triggered. A referendum result is not legally or democratically binding and when about 53% of the population vote and 52% of that group vote one way there doesn't seem to be that much of a mandate for change.

In the long run, I suspect that we will come out from the EU closet, but whether that will actually benefit us remains to be seen.

[Hope]

Dear Lapsed,

Farage, chief culpirt? no, sorry, but the chief culprit is Cameron, not Boris, not Gove, not Farage, and certainly not Corbyn, Cameron is the man, all the blame lies on his shoulders.

I'd agree, Gonners: Cameron oughtn't to have tried to get change within the EU, nor should he have tried to make our place in that group more palatable to the British people; nor, foir that matter, should he have stood up and told the larger nations that what they are moving towards would damage ultimately damage all the European nations.  Above all, he oughtn't to have allowed anyone to express their own opinion, nor should he have tried to get the Britih people to support his push for change.  If he hadn't have done all that, everyone would be happy as larry - except of course for Salmon and Sturgeon who are hell-bent on leaving the UK and trying to salvage their place in the EU at the same time!!

...all the signs were there that the EU needed overhauling, I can't help but think if Maggie was still in charge she would have told them all where to go, Mr Cameron had no backbone for a fight, maybe because of personal reasons, maybe because he had warned us all that he wanted out.

If Maggie had still been in charge, I suspect that she would have done much the same as Cameron - tried to overhaul the EU.  Unfortunately, with nigh-on twice the number of countries in the EU than there were in her time, that would have resulted in much the same outcome as Cameron.  At least he had the guts to go through with a referendum, something that Maggie (and Tony) both promised, but both bottled on.

There was infighting amongst his party way before all this EU nonsense, and personally I never thought he had the necessary to be a leader.

And there has clearly been infighting within the Labour party as well.  At least the Tory party are transparent as regards that.

If he truly had British interests at heart he would have been shouting from the roof tops about the state of the EU's economy, he would have had immigration at the heart of talks.

Not sure that he could have shouted a lot louder about these issues than he did, without deafening people.

I think he was quite happy to cosy up to all the big players in Europe, he thought this was the safest and easiest option, but now he has been caught with his trousers down, his weakness as a leader has been his downfall, not to mention him bringing us all down with him.

Whereas I see him deciding that if he could open some chinks in the armour, further chinks could be made further down the line.  What he didn't anticipate was the craven-ness of so many of the Welsh and English who were quite happy to swallow the UKIP line.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Harrowby,

Post 37

This is all very interesting, Gonners,but I don't think your analysis is quite right.

My analysis may be off the mark but I think we can both agree that the blame for this whole debacle can be laid fairly and squarely at Cameron's feet.

Cameron is certainly the villain of this piece but not for the reasons you give. At no time did Cameron think that the EU was failing, he was a supporter.

Failing is probably the wrong word I used, flawed maybe, in need of fixing, probably why I like the remain slogan of "Remain and Reform" the one thing I am sure of, Cameron gambled badly on this referendum, it all seemed to be badly rushed.

I can blame Farage for the vile way he conducted his campaign, I could say that Corbyn should have been more vocal but in the end, Cameron's total failure to lead, his party, his country and in the EU.

Gonnagle.

[jakswan]

Dear Harrowby,

Post 37

My analysis may be off the mark but I think we can both agree that the blame for this whole debacle can be laid fairly and squarely at Cameron's feet.

You do realise that the referendum went through parliament with widespread support. I know it doesn't suit your simplistic dog-whistle tribal view of politics but its not quite as simple as scapegoating one politician.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

Aye! You have already informed me of this in an earlier post, in my simplistic dog-whistle tribal view I am not scapegoating one politician, I am scapegoating our PM, the leader of our country, the man in charge, the buck stops here man.

Gonnagle.