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[Harrowby Hall]

Leaving your opinion aside, I struggle why someone who wanted to win the referendum excluded these voters?

And that's leaving aside your take that Christian Allard MSP isn't making a commitment.

I don't know whether or not Christian Allard is a UK citizen - I have found nothing to say that he is not. There is nothing to prevent him from having two nationalities.

Had non-UK citizens been allowed to vote, and the result had very narrowly been different, can you not imagine the organised tirade coming from the losing camp along the lines that votes had been bought or voters had been bussed in ... or whatever? Cameron excluded the non-citizens because this was one occasion when to include them may have been unconstitutional.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't know whether or not Christian Allard is a UK citizen - I have found nothing to say that he is not. There is nothing to prevent him from having two nationalities.

Had non-UK citizens been allowed to vote, and the result had very narrowly been different, can you not imagine the organised tirade coming from the losing camp along the lines that votes had been bought or voters had been bussed in ... or whatever? Cameron excluded the non-citizens because this was one occasion when to include them may have been unconstitutional.

He isn't. He didn't have a vote which is sort of why I mentioned him. Please explain how it would gave been non constitutional for him to have a vote here as opposed to EU elections with particular reference to our 'constitution".

[jeremyp]

Because it was a referendum for the owners of the country, not the users. People who are citizens. Consider citizenship to be akin to shareholding only shareholders have a say in a company's future, customers do not.

Anybody who has made their home here should have had a vote. It affects all of us not just the ones with a British passport.

Do non-citizens of Switzerland have voting rights in that country's referenda?

I'm not sure why you think Switzerland's arrangements are relevant.

I know that PD is rather miffed because some of his colleagues and friends were denied referendum votes. Has he asked them why - after living in this country for many years - they have not taken up citizenship?

Because an EU citizen doesn't need to - or at least didn't.

[Jack Knave]

So we are probably going to end up in a situation with which you are not happy and I am not happy although I suspect I'll be marginally happier than you.

It's a total shambles isn't it?

The only difference between you and me on this matter is that I have the pleasure of knowing that the EU is falling apart from within on several fronts.      

[Jack Knave]

I still struggle with why they excluded EU citizens working here from the franchise.

Because it was about the people of the UK not them.

[Jack Knave]

There are currently about three million non British EU citizens resident in the UK and about a million Brits living in other parts of the EU. That's four million votes that are most likely Remainers. The actual margin was less than two million.

                   

[Nearly Sane]

Because it was about the people of the UK not them.

First of all, you mistake the question. Were I looking to get a Remain vote, as Cameron apparently did, I was wondering why you wouldn't include EU nationals?


As to your approach, why is Christian Allard not of the people of the UK, given he is a MSP and pays taxes here? You sound a bit blood and soil here.

[Jack Knave]

First of all, you mistake the question. Were I looking to get a Remain vote, as Cameron apparently did, I was wondering why you wouldn't include EU nationals?

He had his backbenchers and Eurosceptics to contend with.

As to your approach, why is Christian Allard not of the people of the UK, given he is a MSP and pays taxes here? You sound a bit blood and soil here.

Who?

[Nearly Sane]

He had his backbenchers and Eurosceptics to contend with.
Who?

But he had an easy majority in parliament t support him had he wanted.


As for Christian, Google (other search engines are available) is your friend. I have already talked about him.

[Jack Knave]

But he had an easy majority in parliament t support him had he wanted.

But there are the behind the scenes activities that could have put pressure on him and the reaction to the idea of fixing the result by allowing those to vote that shouldn't be. If he had won by these mean, and other dodgy or suspect methods, there would have been civil war in the Tory party and he wanted to keep the peace hence the referendum in the first place.

[Nearly Sane]

But there are the behind the scenes activities that could have put pressure on him and the reaction to the idea of fixing the result by allowing those to vote that shouldn't be. If he had won by these mean, and other dodgy or suspect methods, there would have been civil war in the Tory party and he wanted to keep the peace hence the referendum in the first place.

Yes, that could be true?  Any evidence on this point?

[jeremyp]

there would have been civil war in the Tory party and he wanted to keep the peace hence the referendum in the first place.

So you admit it is just an exercise in saving one particular party. Seems a bit of a small reward for destroying the United Kingdom.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Nice Work if you can get it,

The plan! part of the plan!! Theresa May's first Prime Ministers Question Time, five grand a day per head for a team of Lawyers to steer us through brexit, glad to see my taxes being so well spent.

Gonnagle.

[jeremyp]

Dear Nice Work if you can get it,

The plan! part of the plan!! Theresa May's first Prime Ministers Question Time, five grand a day per head for a team of Lawyers to steer us through brexit, glad to see my taxes being so well spent.

Gonnagle.

At 200 working days per year for two years, that's two million pounds per lawyer. How many lawyers have they got? Still, the money can com out of the £350 million... oh wait, that was a lie, wasn't it.

[Jack Knave]

Yes, that could be true?  Any evidence on this point?

Their past performance and human nature.......and reading between the lines...

[Jack Knave]

So you admit it is just an exercise in saving one particular party. Seems a bit of a small reward for destroying the United Kingdom.

You really have cracked; "So you admit it..."

Admit what? I'm not a Tory. I've never denied that Cameron did it to keep his party together. You really are clutching at straws here to get at me.

[jeremyp]

You really have cracked; "So you admit it..."

Admit what?

That this was an exercise to save the Tory Party.

I'm not a Tory.

Never said you were.

I've never denied that Cameron did it to keep his party together. You really are clutching at straws here to get at me.

You need to realise the enormous damage you have done.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Nice Work if you can get it,

The plan! part of the plan!! Theresa May's first Prime Ministers Question Time, five grand a day per head for a team of Lawyers to steer us through brexit, glad to see my taxes being so well spent.

Gonnagle.

It's called investment in the future.

[jeremyp]

It's called investment in the future.

That we woudn't need if we had decided to stay in the EU.

[Jack Knave]

At 200 working days per year for two years, that's two million pounds per lawyer. How many lawyers have they got? Still, the money can com out of the £350 million... oh wait, that was a lie, wasn't it.

It can come out of the 250 billion that Carney is giving to the bwankers, one egregious sum you don't seem to be bothered about......perhaps because it is going to your EU friends the bwankers.

[Jack Knave]

You need to realise the enormous damage you have done.

You sad sausage! What are you talking about?

[jeremyp]

It can come out of the 250 billion that Carney is giving to the bwankers, one egregious sum you don't seem to be bothered about......perhaps because it is going to your EU friends the bwankers.

You mean the £250 billion that he has set aside because off the stupidity of the Leave voters? That £250 billion?

Certainly it makes the £9 billion of our EU membership fee look pretty small.

You don't like us setting aside £250 billion for the banks? It's your fucking fault we have to do it, moron.

[Jack Knave]

That we woudn't need if we had decided to stay in the EU.

You have evidence for this, do you? Or is it just more of your ramblings?

[jeremyp]

You have evidence for this, do you? Or is it just more of your ramblings?

You're asking me for evidence that we wouldn't need the lawyers on the Brexit team if we weren't leaving the EU?

Honestly, do you bother to read the words that you write?

[Jack Knave]

You mean the £250 billion that he has set aside because off the stupidity of the Leave voters? That £250 billion?

Certainly it makes the £9 billion of our EU membership fee look pretty small.

You don't like us setting aside £250 billion for the banks? It's your fucking fault we have to do it, moron.

We are all in this mess because of the stupid bankers so why are you so content to give those useless idiots loads of money?