Leadsom/UKIP.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Two stories Regarding Leadsom.
UKIP paymaster Arron Banks offers to fund her campaign.       SourceBBC
Refuses to rule out Farage as part of negotiating team.            Source Daily Mail.

[ProfessorDavey]

Two stories Regarding Leadsom.
UKIP paymaster Arron Banks offers to fund her campaign.       SourceBBC
Refuses to rule out Farage as part of negotiating team.            Source Daily Mail.

Seems to be a growing narrative that she is the Kippers' choice.

Amazing as well just how much she has managed to completely change her views in a few short years. This is her in 2013:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/2013-andrea-leadsom-warns-leaving-085020656.html

[Brownie]

I said a day or so that I didn't know much about her, have been learning a little ever since.  I don't care about anyone offering to fund her campaign, doesn't mean they will be accepted.  More concerned about her not ruing Farage out as part of the negotiating team, though that report does come from the Daily Mail.

[SweetPea]

Anyone wanting to hear/know more about Andrea Leadsom, if you haven't already seen the programme, she was interviewed this morning by Andrew Marr and gives reasons for Prof Davey's comment on changing her mind about the EU and Vlad's comment on whether or not to bring Nigel Farage into negotiations.

Here's the link to iplayer, the Marr/Leadsom interview is from 26mins in and lasts roughly 10mins:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07k5s9c/the-andrew-marr-show-03072016

This is the second time I've seen her interviewed by Andrew Marr and I still stand-by my originally comments on the 'leaders' thread. As a candidate for a PM to negotiate our leaving Europe she has a lot of experience of the EU as she explains in the above interview.

[L.A.]

Anyone wanting to hear/know more about Andrea Leadsom, if you haven't already seen the programme, she was interviewed this morning by Andrew Marr and gives reasons for Prof Davey's comment on changing her mind about the EU and Vlad's comment on whether or not to bring Nigel Farage into negotiations.

Here's the link to iplayer, the Marr/Leadsom interview is from 26mins in and lasts roughly 10mins:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07k5s9c/the-andrew-marr-show-03072016

This is the second time I've seen her interviewed by Andrew Marr and I still stand-by my originally comments on the 'leaders' thread. As a candidate for a PM to negotiate our leaving Europe she has a lot of experience of the EU as she explains in the above interview.

Anyone who would allow Farage anywhere near the negotiations wants their head examining.

[ProfessorDavey]

Anyone wanting to hear/know more about Andrea Leadsom, if you haven't already seen the programme, she was interviewed this morning by Andrew Marr and gives reasons for Prof Davey's comment on changing her mind about the EU and Vlad's comment on whether or not to bring Nigel Farage into negotiations.

Here's the link to iplayer, the Marr/Leadsom interview is from 26mins in and lasts roughly 10mins:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07k5s9c/the-andrew-marr-show-03072016

Yes I saw this - it wasn't an explanation as to why she made the most astonishing u-turn on the topic, merely a series of sound bits about how great brexit would be.

Surely someone who has made such a shift in their views would be able to explain how this came about. Or is she just another politician nailing her colours to the mast of most convenience to her political ambitions.

This is the second time I've seen her interviewed by Andrew Marr and I still stand-by my originally comments on the 'leaders' thread. As a candidate for a PM to negotiate our leaving Europe she has a lot of experience of the EU as she explains in the above interview.

The fact it is only the second time you've seen her interviewed speaks volumes for her massive lack of experience.

Sure she has experience as an investment banker prior to joining parliament (with a level of incompetence - check out her involvement with Barings), but that doesn't mean she has anything like the experience of the political leadership and process needed for the Brexit negotiations. Don't forget she's been an MP for just 6 years and a junior minister (not leading a department, not in cabinet) for 2 years.

So she perhaps has the experience to be part of the team involved in brexit negotiations, she is far, far too inexperienced to lead that team, let alone be PM.

[L.A.]

Yes I saw this - it wasn't an explanation as to why she made the most astonishing u-turn on the topic, merely a series of sound bits about how great brexit would be.

Surely someone who has made such a shift in their views would be able to explain how this came about

. . .

Probably got quite a lot to do with her new best friend - Arron Banks

[floo]

Two stories Regarding Leadsom.
UKIP paymaster Arron Banks offers to fund her campaign.       SourceBBC
Refuses to rule out Farage as part of negotiating team.            Source Daily Mail.

UKIP getting in through the catflap, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SweetPea]

Yes I saw this - it wasn't an explanation as to why she made the most astonishing u-turn on the topic, merely a series of sound bits about how great brexit would be.

Surely someone who has made such a shift in their views would be able to explain how this came about. Or is she just another politician nailing her colours to the mast of most convenience to her political ambitions.
The fact it is only the second time you've seen her interviewed speaks volumes for her massive lack of experience.

Sure she has experience as an investment banker prior to joining parliament (with a level of incompetence - check out her involvement with Barings), but that doesn't mean she has anything like the experience of the political leadership and process needed for the Brexit negotiations. Don't forget she's been an MP for just 6 years and a junior minister (not leading a department, not in cabinet) for 2 years.

So she perhaps has the experience to be part of the team involved in brexit negotiations, she is far, far too inexperienced to lead that team, let alone be PM.

No, I entirely disagree. Ms Leadsom explained very clearly her reason for her change of mind - that through her own 'Fresh Start' programme she and her colleagues realised that the EU could not be reformed; and how the EU has changed considerably since she first became an MP. She also mentioned the risks of staying in the EU.

She seems to me a steady, stable personality and because of this, I cannot see her putting herself in a position of running for PM if she thought she was not up to the job. Also, she is now in second place after Theresa May and seems to be continuing to gain support from fellow party members.

[L.A.]

No, I entirely disagree. Ms Leadsom explained very clearly her reason for her change of mind - that through her own 'Fresh Start' programme she and her colleagues realised that the EU could not be reformed; and how the EU has changed considerably since she first became an MP. She also mentioned the risks of staying in the EU.

She seems to me a steady, stable personality and because of this, I cannot see her putting herself in a position of running for PM if she thought she was not up to the job. Also, she is now in second place after Theresa May and seems to be continuing to gain support from fellow party members.

That link to Arron Banks is really worrying.  My concern would be:

Vote Leadsom get UKIP:

[SweetPea]

That link to Arron Banks is really worrying.  My concern would be:

Vote Leadsom get UKIP:

Would Arron Banks come into the equation again? I mean he funded Brexit, but does that mean he would be any part of the leaving the EU negotiations? I really couldn't comment.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Andrea Leadsom, your TorKIP candidate?
She helped crash the car and now wants the keys.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Just when you thought it coulkdn't get any worse Leadsom the TorKIP candidate is leading May in the Tory voter polls.

When Brexitters fuck the country they don't do it by halves.

[Brownie]

No, I entirely disagree. Ms Leadsom explained very clearly her reason for her change of mind - that through her own 'Fresh Start' programme she and her colleagues realised that the EU could not be reformed; and how the EU has changed considerably since she first became an MP. She also mentioned the risks of staying in the EU.

She seems to me a steady, stable personality and because of this, I cannot see her putting herself in a position of running for PM if she thought she was not up to the job. Also, she is now in second place after Theresa May and seems to be continuing to gain support from fellow party members.

I don't see the "steady and stable", she is hardly consistent and I say this recognising that anyone can change their mind.  I'm sure she presents herself as calm and confident.

[Gordon]

Just when you thought it coulkdn't get any worse Leadsom the TorKIP candidate is leading May in the Tory voter polls.

When Brexitters fuck the country they don't do it by halves.

There is also a disconnect here in that while this woman may well be known locally and in Tory circles I'd never heard of her until she popped up in this referendum.

The anonymous potential PM - no wonder some of us Scots want out.

[wigginhall]

Just when you thought it coulkdn't get any worse Leadsom the TorKIP candidate is leading May in the Tory voter polls.

When Brexitters fuck the country they don't do it by halves.

The Tory faithful have a habit of doing this - they voted in IDS instead of Ken Clarke.   I suppose they are often to the right of the MPs, and probably Europe was a factor then as well. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I don't see the "steady and stable", she is hardly consistent and I say this recognising that anyone can change their mind.  I'm sure she presents herself as calm and confident.

Vote leave of whom Leadsom was a part had a party political broadcast where they showed a hospital waiting room cleared of EU nationals.

Now she is saying that EU nationals will not be cleared out.

This woman will say anything and be anyone to anybody to get power.

[wigginhall]

Vote leave of whom Leadsom was a part had a party political broadcast where they showed a hospital waiting room cleared of EU nationals.

Now she is saying that EU nationals will not be cleared out.

This woman will say anything and be anyone to anybody to get power.

My memory of that film is that the waiting room was all white, and they were smiling, whereas the other shot was of lots of non-whites, all looking miserable.   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hang on ......Nigel farage leaves politics, Leadsom steps up as TorKIP leader.....

........Sounds like a job for Ace Ventura.

[SweetPea]

So you guys are for Theresa May? I guess because she is from the 'remain' camp and of course has experience as a senior politician. But she didn't run much of a remain campaign and her heart isn't really in leaving the EU, surely. So is she the best candidate for the leaving the EU negotiations?

As, someone (an MP said recently - sorry, can't remember who!) Andrea Leadsom has the most experience of the EU out of all the five candidates.

Vlad, I wouldn't read too much into Ms Leadsom having connections to UKIP.... I think she is genuinely concerned about the UK's future and where we go from here.


(Sorry, I meant to be more articulate but I'm tired and the old grey matter is saying time to hit the sack! Also, if anyone replies, I won't be able to get back to you now for a couple of days.... no fancy 'phones round 'ere... at least, I don't have one!)

[Brownie]

I don't have a fancy 'phone either SP, so you are not alone there.

There's more to being the Tory leader than the EU.  Theresa May (I've remembered at last to put the 'h' in her name!), than just being a Remainer.

However as I am not likely ever to be a Tory voter, it is of purely academic interest to me.

I should really be more concerned about the new Labour leader, if and when Jeremy Corbyn eventually resigns.  I had hopes for him at one time, it all seems quite sad now and I haven't a clue who will take his place.

[jeremyp]

However as I am not likely ever to be a Tory voter, it is of purely academic interest to me.

Whoever wins the Tory race will be prime minister, at least for a bit. It's not only of academic interest.

[Brownie]

I doubt the Tories will be in for much longer jeremy but I don't have a crystal ball.  Who knows?  Theresa May (if she wins) - may-  turn out to have a lot of things up her sleeve and capture the imaginations of the voters.  Interesting times ahead.  Labour have to get their act together.

[Harrowby Hall]

Whoever wins the Tory race will be prime minister, at least for a bit. It's not only of academic interest.

But Labour are hardly electable. if Labour splits down its "socialist" and "conservative working class" fracture line, then UKIP may emerge as the largest party - or at least hold the balance of power.

[L.A.]

But Labour are hardly electable. if Labour splits down its "socialist" and "conservative working class" fracture line, then UKIP may emerge as the largest party - or at least hold the balance of power.

The 'First past the post' voting system doesn't work well if there is one major party and two minor ones, which seems a possibility. The major party tends to sweep the board. Corbyn and his legacy might well keep the Tories in power for a very long time, but I suspect that enthusiasm for UKIP will fade as all the consequences of Brexit become obvious to all.