Unethical, undemocratic and dishonourable behaviour to force the POV of an elite

[Bubbles]

Unethical, undemocratic and dishonourable behaviour to force the POV of an elite against a vote by the people.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685873/Lawyers-referendum-result-legal-bid-block-Brexit-EU-leave

I think that's disgusting!

If a small elite can over-rule any democratic vote - we no longer live in a democracy.

It isnt about what they can do legally, it's about what it's ethical to do.

I want to know who this law firm is representing so I can boycott any goods or services they offer.

They are undemocratic and dishonest if they would do this to suit themselves.

Just because they can, doesn't mean they should.

That's the issue.

Just because you can do things legally, doesn't mean it's right.

Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman, a leading figure in Vote Leave, said the legal challenge was a “disgrace”.

The result of the referendum is not in doubt.

He said he believed that it would fail because the original European Communities Act 1972 allowed the Government to initiate changes to treaties with the EU, including departure.

But he added: “This sort of attempt to subvert a clear democratic result is disgraceful. We saw from Tony Blair today and other interventions that there is now an attempt by Remain supporters to overturn this result.

And I agree 100% with him.

It is a disgrace!

[Bubbles]

The case is being brought by Mishcon de Reya on behalf of a group of unnamed clients understood to be major businesses.

They should be named and shamed, the cowards!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673422/The-resistance-begins-Legal-bid-BLOCK-new-Prime-Minister-triggering-Brexit-unless-pro-EU-MPs-agree.html

[jeremyp]

Unethical, undemocratic and dishonourable behaviour to force the POV of an elite against a vote by the people.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685873/Lawyers-referendum-result-legal-bid-block-Brexit-EU-leave

I think that's disgusting!

This "elite" is the House of Commons, elected by us to run the country in our name.

[L.A.]

The thing that was dishonourable was the was the way that democracy was perverted by the blatant lies of the Brexiteers.

[Bubbles]

This "elite" is the House of Commons, elected by us to run the country in our name.

No it isn't it's a bunch of faceless businessmen hiding behind lawyers.

Businessmen who are unethical in getting their own way.
Cowards who are not prepared to stand up and be counted.

 

[floo]

The thing that was dishonourable was the was the way that democracy was perverted by the blatant lies of the Brexiteers.

Agreed. Many people who voted for Brexit hadn't a clue what they were voting for, imo.

[Bubbles]

The thing that was dishonourable was the was the way that democracy was perverted by the blatant lies of the Brexiteers.

Both sides lied!

[Bubbles]

Agreed. Many people who voted for Brexit hadn't a clue what they were voting for, imo.

People who voted remain didn't know either.

Because no one had ever done this before.

[jeremyp]

No it isn't it's a bunch of faceless businessmen hiding behind lawyers.

Businessmen who are unethical in getting their own way.

 

It seems to me that they are trying to determine whether Parliament has to pass an act in order to allow the PM to trigger article 50. What's wrong with that? If it is legal for the PM to trigger the article without asking parliament, they'll lose. If not, it is better that the PM doesn't do something illegal.

[Bubbles]

It seems to me that they are trying to determine whether Parliament has to pass an act in order to allow the PM to trigger article 50. What's wrong with that? If it is legal for the PM to trigger the article without asking parliament, they'll lose. If not, it is better that the PM doesn't do something illegal.

Who runs this country?

Our government or a bunch of cowardly businessmen hiding behind a bunch of dishonest lawyers prepared to twist the law ?

It's unethical.

I'm sure the world biggest crooks employed a good lawyer, says it all.

[jeremyp]

Who runs this country?

Our government or a bunch of cowardly businessmen hiding behind a bunch of dishonest lawyers prepared to twist the law ?

It's unethical.

How are they twisting the law? If the law says the PM can trigger article 50 without consulting parliament, they will lose the case.

How is it unethical to challenge something in the courts that you think is illegal?

[Bubbles]

How are they twisting the law? If the law says the PM can trigger article 50 without consulting parliament, they will lose the case.

How is it unethical to challenge something in the courts that you think is illegal?

They are doing it to undermine the democratic vote, while hiding behind the law.

That's unethical!

They haven't even got the nerve to be named.

Cowards!

Those lawyers are not doing it to protect the next PM from doing something illegal.

They are abusing the law to satisfy the desires of some cowardly businessmen, who think their POV should be more important that everyone else in this country.

They want to dictate to everyone else, so they can become even richer than they already are.

They are motivated by greed, and don't care a damn about democracy.

[floo]

They are doing it to undermine the democratic vote, while hiding behind the law.

That's unethical!

They haven't even got the nerve to be named.

Cowards!

And for which side did you vote Rose?

[Bubbles]

And for which side did you vote Rose?

I voted remain, but am appalled at the actions of some remain supporters.

Even more appalled at this takeover bid, while abusing our law to overturn what people voted for.

It looks to me that we don't actually live in a democracy at all, because if it's unpopular with powerful and wealthy people, they will abuse the law to get their own way.

I didn't feel I knew enough about leaving the EU to vote leave, so went for the safe option.

However I feel that as the government promised the people in this country that whatever they voted, the country would do, it's up to them to honour it.

As David Cameron says, the people should have what they voted for.

Even George Osborne said it was his country right or wrong and he would do his best to support our country, both of them were remain.

But some legal petition by a few cowardly businessmen who aim to take matters into their own hands is not acceptable to me.

We either live in a democracy or we don't.

At the moment, it's starting to look like we don't.

If it had been remain who had won and a legal bid was instigated to overturn it, I would have been just as cross.

It's the principal of it.

Democracy is about us all having a say, in one way or another.

It's not perfect, but it doesn't involve an elite group of businessmen employing lawyers to go against the ordinary persons majority vote.

Especially if they are nameless and faceless, to boot.

It's not a good thing.

It's like Scotland getting a independant majority vote and being scuppered by a few invisible elitist individuals with lots of money, on some point of law.

The thing is, the parliament is supposed to represent us, the people, and no matter who you are, you get one vote.

It's just so awful, because people did bother to vote, on both sides.

If that can be overthrown by a few people abusing the law, what does that say about our democracy?

It kind of goes against what I have always thought about democracy in this country.

That no matter who you were,  your vote counted in equal measure to anyone else in your regional area.


Obviously not!

[Udayana]

Whatever they (the government) do or don't do, it has to be on a legal basis. After all, the government, supported by parliament and our votes, makes many of the laws in the first place and is responsible for upholding the law.

If the law is wrong, parliament can change it as required.

Obviously, no-one lives in a perfect democracy as there is no such system.

[Bubbles]

Whatever they (the government) do or don't do, it has to be on a legal basis. After all, the government, supported by parliament and our votes, makes many of the laws in the first place and is responsible for upholding the law.

If the law is wrong, parliament can change it as required.

Obviously, no-one lives in a perfect democracy as there is no such system.

No, but obviously there is a weakness in ours that allows a few businessmen to employ a bunch of lawyers to control our parliament.

If we need anything, we need a law to block that and prevent it happening again.

You can't have small groups of unnamed businessmen attempting to control parliament by using the law by stealth.

I'm totally opposed to that.

Just because I voted remain, doesn't mean I'm not going to object to something, if I think it's wrong.

The leave voters won, no matter it isn't what I voted for.

I'm not accepting unethical behaviours to change what they voted for.

A few anonymous businessmen trying to control parliament is wrong, I don't care if they think it's justifiable because of the outcome and they are using the law.

It isn't.

They are attempting to abuse the law to control parliament in a way that is undemocratic.

[wigginhall]

I thought that Mishcon de Reya were making the point that the referendum is not legally binding.   This seems obvious, but it is unlikely that Parliament would over-rule it.   To be constitutionally correct though, parliament must approve the decision to leave the EU.

[Bubbles]

Lawyers have a silver tongue, they can make anything sound reasonable.

It isn't though 

[Bubbles]

Gossip says one of the cowards is some billionaire from Zoopla.

http://order-order.com/2016/07/04/zoopla-behind-anti-brexit-legal-action/

[wigginhall]

The irony is, that this law firm are saying that the Commons are pre-eminent, and cannot be over-ruled.   This seems obvious, since no-one else can OK the framework for withdrawal. 

[Bubbles]

The irony is, that this law firm are saying that the Commons are pre-eminent, and cannot be over-ruled.   This seems obvious, since no-one else can OK the framework for withdrawal.

Yes but they are doing it with the full knowledge that most MP's in parliament are remain.

They are sneaky and dishonest.


That's why they are anonymous, because they don't want to stand up and be counted.

They are cowards!

The law firm is just a front for a bunch of conniving cowards!

[Harrowby Hall]

Rose

I think that you are confused - you are certainly confusing "the government" with "Parliament". These are not the same thing.

The prime minister appears to have decided that the result of the referendum is final. It isn't - the referendum is advisory not mandatory. It is possible that he is acting outside the constitution. It is for Parliament not the government to make the final decision.

We have discussed on this forum the fact that 63% of the electorate did not vote for leaving. The result 52% to 48% of the people voting is too close to determine whether the result is reliable or not.

This is a constitutional matter which must be decided by Parliament not by a prime minister who appears to have thrown his Teddy out of the pram. All that these petitioners are doing is protecting your interests and the interests of all voters.

[L.A.]

It would be amazing if we all woke-up one morning and realised that Brexit had only been a bad dream 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So glad these heroes are ensuring due process.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

People who voted remain didn't know either.

They were voting for the status quo.