Unethical, undemocratic and dishonourable behaviour to force the POV of an elite

[L.A.]

Nonsense. The problem was that he did not seem to believe in it at all. There were many ludicrous claims by Remain as well. This idea of Cameron as honourable, when his  first actions following a vote resigning and not triggering Article 50 then meant that he had  lied on those, is astounding.

I suppose we will never know what was going on in his head, but I can't off-hand think what those "ludicrous claims by Remain" might be? - most of their campaign was pretty honest and accurate.

As for his resignation, it's difficult to judge at the moment whether that might turn out to  be a good or a bad thing.

[Nearly Sane]

I suppose we will never know what was going on in his head, but I can't off-hand think what those "ludicrous claims by Remain" might be? - most of their campaign was pretty honest and accurate.

As for his resignation, it's difficult to judge at the moment whether that might turn out to  be a good or a bad thing.

Well let's start with Dave - if any of the claims that economageddon were to be believed, they were undermined by his previously stayed position that the UK could do quite well outside the EU. Which time was he lying?

[Udayana]

Both of these could be true depending on time scales and actual events. There is little doubt that the UK has sufficient resources and worldwide investment and trade capability to do well outside the EU in the long term.

It is also true that the process of disconnecting from the EU with its negative effects on existing investments, trade and the labor market will be devastating for many people.

[Nearly Sane]

Both of these could be true depending on time scales and actual events. There is little doubt that the UK has sufficient resources and worldwide investment and trade capability to do well outside the EU in the long term.

It is also true that the process of disconnecting from the EU with its negative effects on existing investments, trade and the labor market will be devastating for many people.

I can see the argument but I don't think the idea that we can do well outside maps easily to 'devastating for many people'

[L.A.]

Well let's start with Dave - if any of the claims that economageddon were to be believed, they were undermined by his previously stayed position that the UK could do quite well outside the EU. Which time was he lying?

I'm loathed to defend Cameron because he undoubtedly bears a great deal of responsibility for the screw-up, but if I recall, he said that long-term Britain could prosper either in the EU or out, which is probably true. If he had said that there was no future outside the EU he would rightly have been accused of scaremongering.

The problems in the short/medium term were predicted quite accurately.

[Hope]

Cameron took a huge risk and screwed-uo.  Presumably he thought he could settle the issue for a generation or more, but unfortunately (being a public school type)  he played it with a 'straight bat' while there were no depths that his opponents would not stoop to.

That's what happens when you play fair in a dirty game.

Ironically, the 'Leave' players who played dirtiest were also 'public school types'.  Just shows that you can't stereotype people because f their education.

[L.A.]

Ironically, the 'Leave' players who played dirtiest were also 'public school types'.  Just shows that you can't stereotype people because f their education.

I think some people live-up to their stereotypes. Cameron is 'Head Boy' while Boris is a Bit of a Bounder.

[Hope]

I think some people live-up to their stereotypes. Cameron is 'Head Boy' while Boris is a Bit of a Bounder.

Which stereotype does Jeremy C. live up to?

[L.A.]

Which stereotype does Jeremy C. live up to?

He's your archetypal 'Militant' straight out of the 70's. He always looks as if he should be standing by a brazier wearing a Donkey Jacket addressing the 'Comrades'.

(I even think that is how he sees himself)

[jeremyp]

I'm not entirely sure they do want us to stay - Merkel has already indicated as much.

Of course they want us to stay. The UK is one of the richest and most powerful states in the EU. Our leaving will only weaken it.

[jeremyp]

Well let's start with Dave - if any of the claims that economageddon were to be believed, they were undermined by his previously stayed position that the UK could do quite well outside the EU. Which time was he lying?

Well to my eye it looks pretty much like economogeddon is actually happening.

[Hope]

I'm not entirely sure they do want us to stay - Merkel has already indicated as much. I think they are just fed up with the whniging Brits (and when I say Brits - I mean predominantly the English constituents thereof) and now think it is time to move on.

I can't say I blame them.

At no time has she, or any other leader said that they want to see the back of us; rather, they have said that - following the vote - they would like to see us acting sooner than later, as any on-going uncertainty damages their economies as much as it does ours.

[Nearly Sane]

Well to my eye it looks pretty much like economogeddon is actually happening.

I fear you are correct.