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Chilcott Report
« on: July 06, 2016, 07:17:40 AM »
Today sees the publication of the long-awaited, long-delayed Chilcott Report. 

What do folk here hope to see in it, and what do they expect will be in it?

Whilst there is unlikely to be any specific statement over the legality or otherwise of the events it is reporting on, is it possible that Chilcott will imply one way or the other?
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 07:31:16 AM »
Today sees the publication of the long-awaited, long-delayed Chilcott Report. 

What do folk here hope to see in it, and what do they expect will be in it?

Whilst there is unlikely to be any specific statement over the legality or otherwise of the events it is reporting on, is it possible that Chilcott will imply one way or the other?

It would be nice to see Blair shipped of to the International Criminal Court in the Hague, but I suspect that is not going to happen.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 07:53:21 AM »
It would be nice to see Blair shipped of to the International Criminal Court in the Hague, but I suspect that is not going to happen.
That isn't going to happen and indeed the International Criminal Court in the Hague has already stated that it isn't their business trying people over their decisions to go to war. Their remit is trying people for war crimes, in other words crimes committed by people during a war.

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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 08:00:32 AM »
That isn't going to happen and indeed the International Criminal Court in the Hague has already stated that it isn't their business trying people over their decisions to go to war. Their remit is trying people for war crimes, in other words crimes committed by people during a war.
So, theoretically, Blair could be indicted for such crimes, in the same way that other national leaders have been indicted for actions that they condoned (or at least didn't oppose) whilst not actually being there at the time.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 10:34:59 AM »

So, theoretically, Blair could be indicted for such crimes, in the same way that other national leaders have been indicted for actions that they condoned (or at least didn't oppose) whilst not actually being there at the time.


It appears that, unfortunately, L A is probably right in that Blair gets off scot free but individual soldiers may be charged with war crimes. Our soldiers, not the enemy's or the American's of course - they, the Americans, do not allow their military to be charged by anyone but themselves and then only when it is politically expedient ( see Mi Lai, Viet Nam - Lt Calley). And they are not going to do that over a 'righteous' war,
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 12:38:53 PM »
Dear Forum,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-36714717

Says it all, Iraqi war fiasco.

Listening to a lady on radio 2, Tony Blair should be kept away from politics for ever, another lady is telling us, she had to go and buy a flak jacket for her son :o her son had to beg boots off U.S soldiers >:(

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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 12:51:11 PM »
Apologies for missing this, and starting other thread which I have asked to be removed.


So far the report doesn't look like a whitewash but to reiterate Prof Davey's post this was never going to mean a trial for Blair. It might shut him up but I doubt it.


I can't help that the inner cabinet was involved in a sort of group think. While I have my issues with Alastair Campbell, his continuing assertion that nothing was done wrong seems out of character.

Today though it seems sensible to watch Robin Cook's speech at the time

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f8NBlmwwE


And of course,  much missed Charlie

https://m.youtube.com/?hl=en-GB&gl=GB#/watch?v=PoFVdes7qM8


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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 02:26:41 PM »
Dear Forum,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36726735

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Has led to a fundamental breakdown in our trust in politics

I am now thinking, is this where it all started for me, the chip on my shoulder regarding politicians, maybe not, but I am trying to remember a day when I trusted anything Blair said, everytime that man smiled I thought, he is up to something ???

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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 02:33:31 PM »
Blair is untouchable, I would think.   If he was a 3rd world leader, who is black, and has a funny name, he would be in jail already, I would think.   But TB is a cool rich white guy!
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 03:02:08 PM »
Dear god in Govan,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089

He just keeps wittering on, Mr Blair, see that God you profess to worship, go and have a word with him. >:(

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 03:15:17 PM »
One nice little detail - one informant was describing stuff, which was "remarkably similar to the fictional chemical weapon portrayed in the film The Rock".   It was later withdrawn, but nobody told Blair this.  WTF?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36713003?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120&link_location=live-reporting-story
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 03:17:33 PM »
Blair seems to be going on for hours now, describing how agonizing it all was for him and he still thinks about it.  Never mind, there's always the Blair rich project.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 03:18:07 PM »
Dear Blair,

The world is a safer place, is it?

Evidence of parallel universes, you are living on another planet pal. >:(

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 05:43:40 PM »
Dear Forum,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36726735

I am now thinking, is this where it all started for me, the chip on my shoulder regarding politicians, maybe not, but I am trying to remember a day when I trusted anything Blair said, everytime that man smiled I thought, he is up to something ???

Gonnagle.
Don't remember ever trusting Blair.  Fortunately, I was living abroad for the first 30 months of his time as PM, so had other things to worry about - though I did hear about his antics by listening the BBC World Service Radio regularly.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 07:25:40 PM »
I was wondering, was there an enquiry comparable to the Chilcott report, after the Falklands war?  I don't remember Mrs Thatcher having to give an account of herself though there were people, at the time, who called for it.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2016, 07:32:07 PM »
It appears that, unfortunately, L A is probably right in that Blair gets off scot free but individual soldiers may be charged with war crimes. Our soldiers, not the enemy's or the American's of course - they, the Americans, do not allow their military to be charged by anyone but themselves and then only when it is politically expedient ( see Mi Lai, Viet Nam - Lt Calley). And they are not going to do that over a 'righteous' war,

I wonder if they will get him for David Kelly's death?
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2016, 07:54:01 PM »

I was wondering, was there an enquiry comparable to the Chilcott report, after the Falklands war?  I don't remember Mrs Thatcher having to give an account of herself though there were people, at the time, who called for it.


The Falklands War was in defense of British subjects being attacked by a foreign power not to ensure the Prime Minister's place in the history books and future, he hoped, as President of Europe, with Bush's help and backing!.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2016, 07:54:53 PM »

I wonder if they will get him for David Kelly's death?



Odds on bet - No!
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2016, 08:34:00 PM »
I was wondering, was there an enquiry comparable to the Chilcott report, after the Falklands war?  I don't remember Mrs Thatcher having to give an account of herself though there were people, at the time, who called for it.
Brownie, the Falklands War was a totally different 'kettle of fish'  It was the response to the invasion of a British overseas territory.
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2016, 10:00:28 PM »

Odds on bet - No!

Unless more evidence comes to light?
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2016, 10:06:17 PM »
Brownie, the Falklands War was a totally different 'kettle of fish'  It was the response to the invasion of a British overseas territory.

I do know all that, I remember it very well and exactly where I was and what I was doing when it started (on holiday in Pembrokeshire), but still there was controversy about it and calls for Mrs Thatcher to stand trial for war crimes etc.  There was a great loss of lives in the Falklands, considering the war didn't last very long.  Margaret Thatcher seemed to grow in stature after that war and I wonder if Blair was unconsciously emulating her.  Just thinking out loud really. 

Blair would have done better to emulate Harold Wilson to whom we need to be eternally grateful for keeping us out of Vietnam.  Imagine if Blair had been Prime Minister then?

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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2016, 10:37:25 PM »
I do know all that, I remember it very well and exactly where I was and what I was doing when it started (on holiday in Pembrokeshire), but still there was controversy about it and calls for Mrs Thatcher to stand trial for war crimes etc.  There was a great loss of lives in the Falklands, considering the war didn't last very long.  Margaret Thatcher seemed to grow in stature after that war and I wonder if Blair was unconsciously emulating her.  Just thinking out loud really. 

Blair would have done better to emulate Harold Wilson to whom we need to be eternally grateful for keeping us out of Vietnam.  Imagine if Blair had been Prime Minister then?

I think Maggie made number of mistakes during her premiership, but when British Sovereign territory was forcefully invaded, I don't think she had any other option! She had to send the task force.

I think all recent wars have been quite different. We should be wary of trying to draw too many conclusions from the last war. I think some wars are necessary but it's not always obvious which.
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2016, 11:55:03 PM »
I can't see anyone actually winning the war in Iraq.  Lives are being wasted for nothing.   Fighting a war somewhere far away seems to be a general way of life for the USA, they are hardly ever without one.  It's a blessing they haven't drafted people into the armed forces this time around.
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2016, 06:43:38 AM »
I think Maggie made number of mistakes during her premiership, but when British Sovereign territory was forcefully invaded, I don't think she had any other option! She had to send the task force.

I think all recent wars have been quite different. We should be wary of trying to draw too many conclusions from the last war. I think some wars are necessary but it's not always obvious which.

Plus which Maggie went in without any kind of coersion from a foreign power, as Blair did; in fact he did it with the coersion of/in co-operation with the foreign power that morally supported the Argentines in the Falklands war.
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