Government review into Sharia Law courts in the UK

[Hope]

http://bit.ly/29I09mG

It appears* that these courts are denying people their human rights - especially women.  Sign up to ensure that we don't end up with parallel legal systems.

* word chosen on purpose.

[jeremyp]

Sign up to ensure that we don't end up with parallel legal systems.

* word chosen on purpose.

Never going to happen.

[Harrowby Hall]

I certainly hope that Jeremy's view is correct.

Were we to have a revised Constitution (another Cameron cock-up) we could ensure that the primacy of English (or Scottish) Law was an established constitutional fact.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

http://bit.ly/29I09mG

It appears* that these courts are denying people their human rights - especially women.  Sign up to ensure that we don't end up with parallel legal systems.

* word chosen on purpose.

These courts are entirely voluntary, like the Jewish Beth Din.

[letstryagain]

These courts are entirely voluntary, like the Jewish Beth Din.

True enough if but that ignores the fact that family, community and mosque may put pressure on vulnerable people particularly women to accept the court and its outcomes. The fact is that you really cannot have a law system that discriminates against women in the 21st century or deals out its own community "justice"

[Nearly Sane]

True enough if but that ignores the fact that family, community and mosque may put pressure on vulnerable people particularly women to accept the court and its outcomes. The fact is that you really cannot have a law system that discriminates against women in the 21st century or deals out its own community "justice"

whilst I don't disagree, can I just check that this means we should stop Beth Din as well?

[Hope]

Were we to have a revised Constitution (another Cameron cock-up) we could ensure that the primacy of English (or Scottish) Law was an established constitutional fact.

I think the gun-use situation, and the regular deadlocks in the Congress and Senate in the USA highlights the problem of having a written constitution.  It can be very difficult to change it.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

True enough if but that ignores the fact that family, community and mosque may put pressure on vulnerable people particularly women to accept the court and its outcomes. The fact is that you really cannot have a law system that discriminates against women in the 21st century or deals out its own community "justice"

It's voluntary not a law, and its decisions are not binding in English Law.  There is nothing to stop me entering into a contract under English LAw that discriminates against me if I am wally enough to do so, and that would in most cases be binding on me.

[JP]

Voluntary may be questionable.

http://onelawforall.org.uk/about/ an organisation of ex Muslims and worth two minutes of your time to get an idea as to what they are all about.

Also In 2003 and 2004, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that "that sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy" because sharia rules on inheritance, women's rights and religious freedom violate human rights as established in the European Convention on Human Rights

[Harrowby Hall]

I think the gun-use situation, and the regular deadlocks in the Congress and Senate in the USA highlights the problem of having a written constitution.  It can be very difficult to change it.

But we do have a written constitution. It just hasn't been codified into a single document.

The US constitution has been amended 33 times. The problem with amending the US constitution does not lie in Congress (House of Representatives and Senate) but with its additional requirement of ratification by the States, three quarters of whom are required to enable an amendment to be adopted.

You are wrong. Deadlocks in Congress do not highlight the problem of having a written constitution.

[Brownie]

I keep wanting you to do a typo and write "Dreadlocks", HH,  Dreadlocks in congress, mmmm, cool.

[Harrowby Hall]

I keep wanting you to do a typo and write "Dreadlocks", HH,  Dreadlocks in congress, mmmm, cool.

President Trump will probably try to ban them.

[Brownie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/12106116/Spanish-MP-dreadlocks-split-parliament.html

[letstryagain]

whilst I don't disagree, can I just check that this means we should stop Beth Din as well?

Yes, the law has to be equal, although I suspect that intimidation of Jewish women would have less effect than on muslim women