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Nearly Sane

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Charlottesville
« on: August 12, 2017, 08:53:16 PM »

Will wait for more information but chilling.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40912509

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Re: Charlottesville
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2017, 09:28:58 PM »
Indeed.

This has never left the States but clearly they see the kinds of people that Trump enjoys surrounding himself with as a signal that they are safe in the open.

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2017, 08:17:48 AM »
Will wait for more information but chilling.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40912509

What a bunch of evil creeps. Sadly we have some of those ghastly people in this country too. :o

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2017, 09:06:58 AM »
Trump's failure to single out the fascists, and the KKK elements of the 'alt right' for condemnation was simply a disgrace - yes, we know his 'vote base' derives from this shower to a great extent; however failure to condemn it outright is the act of a coward. Even several Senators from his own Republican party are disgusted by his inane stupidity on this matter.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2017, 09:10:32 AM »
YOu said it Anchorman!
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 09:15:30 AM »
Trump's failure to single out the fascists, and the KKK elements of the 'alt right' for condemnation was simply a disgrace - yes, we know his 'vote base' derives from this shower to a great extent; however failure to condemn it outright is the act of a coward. Even several Senators from his own Republican party are disgusted by his inane stupidity on this matter.

Trump is a disgrace to the office of President the USA. >:( >:(

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2017, 09:34:46 AM »
His own party are speaking out against him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40915569
« Last Edit: August 13, 2017, 09:37:37 AM by Rhiannon »

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2017, 10:11:54 AM »
His own party are speaking out against him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40915569

The sooner the US gets rid of that dangerous idiot the better.

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Re: Charlottesville
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2017, 02:29:25 AM »
Trump's failure to single out the fascists, and the KKK elements of the 'alt right' for condemnation was simply a disgrace - yes, we know his 'vote base' derives from this shower to a great extent; however failure to condemn it outright is the act of a coward. Even several Senators from his own Republican party are disgusted by his inane stupidity on this matter.
I think we have to be careful in saying that Hus vote base is 'to a great extent' derived from the KKK and similar. There's 63m voters behind him and it seems to me that's indulging in a simplistic generalisation.


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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2017, 08:38:08 AM »
I think we have to be careful in saying that Hus vote base is 'to a great extent' derived from the KKK and similar. There's 63m voters behind him and it seems to me that's indulging in a simplistic generalisation.

I am of the opinion that many of the people who voted for Trump are right wing extremists, who else would be crazy enough to vote for that man?

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2017, 08:39:20 AM »
I am of the opinion that many of the people who voted for Trump are right wing extremists, who else would be crazy enough to vote for that man?

The desperate?

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 08:43:53 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 08:47:56 AM »
Desperate for what?

Jobs. An escape from drug culture. Enough money to put food on the table. A sense of having a future. A sense of having a voice.

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 08:51:09 AM »
Apologies, NS - I meant that much of Trump's support came from the 'alt right'. Admittedly the neo-nazis and KKK would class themselves (those of them ho can read, anyway) as belonging to this 'movement', which makes the 'tea party' look like a frozen crispy pancake.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 08:53:30 AM »
Jobs. An escape from drug culture. Enough money to put food on the table. A sense of having a future. A sense of having a voice.

Really?

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2017, 08:53:44 AM »
I think was does seem likely is that Trump has emboldened the movement.

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2017, 08:55:44 AM »
Really?

Why is that such a strange concept to you? So much of what he promised - the wall, a cap on migration, American jobs for American people - was aimed squarely at those who felt that the old order was failing them.

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2017, 08:58:46 AM »
Why is that such a strange concept to you? So much of what he promised - the wall, a cap on migration, American jobs for American people - was aimed squarely at those who felt that the old order was failing them.

And was getting rid of Obama healthcare, meant to benefit the poor?

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2017, 09:11:23 AM »
And was getting rid of Obama healthcare, meant to benefit the poor?

Very little he will do will benefit the poor - you only have to see who he favours now he's in power. But he knew and still knows exactly how to play to his audience.

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2017, 09:17:27 AM »
Very little he will do will benefit the poor - you only have to see who he favours now he's in power. But he knew and still knows exactly how to play to his audience.

Trump favours the rich and his own interests.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2017, 09:20:57 AM »
Trump favours the rich and his own interests.

And hoovers up the votes of the poor and the less well educated.

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Re: Charlottesville
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2017, 09:21:31 AM »
I am of the opinion that many of the people who voted for Trump are right wing extremists, who else would be crazy enough to vote for that man?
Ah the argument by personal incredulity an unusual context.

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2017, 09:36:01 AM »
And was getting rid of Obama healthcare, meant to benefit the poor?
There are many who would argue and believe that Obamacare is pushing up the costs of medicine to the extent that the insurance companies backing it are unwilling to participate which pushes up costs further leading to a rationing of medicine. The policy of Ibamacare is sold to many of the poor voters as something that will go bust leaving them with no health care. That I think people are wrong to believe it doesn't mean that those voting Trump are mainly or even in a large part what would normally be described as right wing extremists.


For millions of people in the U.S., there is the experience that the good years in the economy passed them by, and the bad tears hit almost solely on them. In a culture where aspiration is central to the mythos, Trump can and has plated the outsider, someone to challenge the beltway politics of fixing and dubious deals.

It's essentially a trap which bolsters his support to call them in the main alt right extremists. Just as we had in this country with all Brexit supported are racists because it makes people feel that questioning the status quo is being told you are a Nazi, and they know they are not, and they  see plenty of reasons to question the status quo.

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Re: Charlottesville
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2017, 09:44:02 AM »
Apologies, NS - I meant that much of Trump's support came from the 'alt right'. Admittedly the neo-nazis and KKK would class themselves (those of them ho can read, anyway) as belonging to this 'movement', which makes the 'tea party' look like a frozen crispy pancake.
I think the alt right, while influential, are a tiny part of the Trump voting base. Also, they are in general both literate and more middle class than many in Trump voting camp.

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2017, 09:56:36 AM »
While Bannon has a position in the White House this is what we will get.