Cutting off their nose?

[Rhiannon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-41011908

Really? 

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-41011908

Really? 

I really can't believe they would be so pathetic to refuse the money because the guys were having a bit of fun!

[Rhiannon]

It's dated and it's not funny but it's not the most terribly offensive thing either. Surely this is one instance where the good outweighs the bad.

[floo]

It's dated and it's not funny but it's not the most terribly offensive thing either. Surely this is one instance where the good outweighs the bad.

What isn't funny?

[Shaker]

Men in nurse's uniforms. It's a bit 1974, really. But still, unfunny or not, it was in a good cause and I'd like to think that those who turned £2500 would be ashamed, though I doubt it.

[Rhiannon]

Men in nurse's uniforms. It's a bit 1974, really. But still, unfunny or not, it was in a good cause and I'd like to think that those who turned £2500 would be ashamed, though I doubt it.

The bigger picture is the loss of goodwill. In future people just won't bother, and the only ones hit will be the patients.

[Udayana]

Surely it's fine to demean anyone and portray them as clowns as long you bung them some cash after? This is the 21st century now!

[Rhiannon]

Surely it's fine to demean anyone and portray them as clowns as long you bung them some cash after? This is the 21st century now!

Is that what they were doing?

[floo]

I had to wear one of those uniforms when I gave nursing a go in 1968. Yes they were a pain in the neck, and I am glad all nurses, both male and female, wear something much more suitable these days. But I can't for the life of me see why Rhi thinks there is something unfunny, or even offensive, about the guys dressing up like that.

[Udayana]

Is that what they were doing?

Whos to say? That was why the money was turned down.

As they had been asked not to raise money in that way I would have thought they could raise just as much or maybe more in an manner acceptable to the manager.

[Udayana]

I had to wear one of those uniforms when I gave nursing a go in 1968. Yes they were a pain in the neck, and I am glad all nurses, both male and female, wear something much more suitable these days. But I can't for the life of me see why Rhi thinks there is something unfunny, or even offensive, about the guys dressing up like that.

I think you've misread Rhi here.

[Rhiannon]

Whos to say? That was why the money was turned down.

As they had been asked not to raise money in that way I would have thought they could raise just as much or maybe more in an manner acceptable to the manager.

We only have the word of the spokeswoman that they were asked to do something different, and even if a message was sent (how?) that doesn't mean to say it reached those that it needed to. People don't deliberately cause offence to organisations that they are trying to support.

[floo]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/second-hand-coffin-sale-wrexham-13512006

I do find this unpleasant!

[Shaker]

Whos to say? That was why the money was turned down.

The money was turned down by people - specifically, a named person - who thought that something "demeaning" was being done by people who (actually doing that thing) didn't think it was demeaning. In other words, the money was turned down by the vicariously offended.

As they had been asked not to raise money in that way I would have thought they could raise just as much or maybe more in an manner acceptable to the manager.

Perhaps the manager was just being a pious and overly sensitive arsehole? There's enough evidence to satisfy me.

When raising money for charity people dress up as everything from Fred Flintstone to fruits and vegetables and make a tit of themselves for a few hours which they accept with good grace because I would dare to say that most people intuitively grasp the concept of good causes and a greater good - namely, that a few hours outside Boots with a plastic bucket, dressed as a six-foot carrot, is no great shakes compared to drumming up a few quid for disabled hamsters or what have you - whatever the charity may be. This chief executive doesn't seem to be in that number.

[Robbie]

I really can't believe they would be so pathetic to refuse the money because the guys were having a bit of fun!

Quite!

I had to wear one of those uniforms when I gave nursing a go in 1968. Yes they were a pain in the neck, and I am glad all nurses, both male and female, wear something much more suitable these days. But I can't for the life of me see why Rhi thinks there is something unfunny, or even offensive, about the guys dressing up like that.

Not sure Rhiannon objected - not her taste but she thought people were petty to object. As do I& prob'ly many others.

i lurve Shaker's 04:51:31 post!

[Rhiannon]

The most up-to-date version of the link has nurses saying that they are not offended.

Fgs, this is big hairy men dressing up and making themselves look daft in a good cause, not Page Three girls kitted out like saucy nurses a la Are You Being Served. Not hysterically funny, maybe a bit tedious, but nothing like as tedious as waiting in Outpatients or Minor Injuries for someone to fetch an ECG machine from elsewhere in the hospital - something that patients at this hospital can continue to look forward to now.

[Shaker]

The most up-to-date version of the link has nurses saying that they are not offended.

I for one didn't expect them to be. I know a few nurses; it's no profession for girlies, you know.

[Rhiannon]

I for one didn't expect them to be. I know a few nurses; it's no profession for girlies, you know.

I tried a google search in case this is a 'thing' that nurses are bothered by - nothing doing except this one incident.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/22/health-trust-turns-down-demeaning-fancy-dress-nurses-donation

Dr Freeman is right, women shouldn't be objectified.

These aren't women though and i don't see how they are objectifying anyone. Except possibly the Two Ronnies.

[Shaker]

Fgs, this is big hairy men dressing up and making themselves look daft in a good cause.

aka Friday night.

[Steve H]

This is the sort of nonsense that plays right into the hands of the Daily Hate-mail, and for once I'd be inclined to agree with them.

[Udayana]

The money was turned down by people - specifically, a named person - who thought that something "demeaning" was being done by people who (actually doing that thing) didn't think it was demeaning. In other words, the money was turned down by the vicariously offended.
Perhaps the manager was just being a pious and overly sensitive arsehole? There's enough evidence to satisfy me.

When raising money for charity people dress up as everything from Fred Flintstone to fruits and vegetables and make a tit of themselves for a few hours which they accept with good grace because I would dare to say that most people intuitively grasp the concept of good causes and a greater good - namely, that a few hours outside Boots with a plastic bucket, dressed as a six-foot carrot, is no great shakes compared to drumming up a few quid for disabled hamsters or what have you - whatever the charity may be. This chief executive doesn't seem to be in that number.

er .. that's all jolly fine if you know the person who your dealing with is going to accept the fruits of your efforts. Otherwise, I guess, you just do what you want to then batter anyone objecting on social media.   

On what basis were they claiming that money collected was for such and such a cause if they did not have the approval of the organisation they claimed they were collecting for?

[Owlswing]

This is the sort of nonsense that plays right into the hands of the Daily Hate-mail, and for once I'd be inclined to agree with them.

Yeah! You would!

I (SteveH) don't like it so no-one can do it! Who cares about the lost money/equipment it would have bought that the hospital is clearly not going to fund itself - maybe the idiot who turned the money down (clearly neither a doctor nor a nurse and thus earning at least twice or three times what a nurse does) can give the money herself?.

[Steve H]

Yeah! You would!

I (SteveH) don't like it so no-one can do it! Who cares about the lost money/equipment it would have bought that the hospital is clearly not going to fund itself - maybe the idiot who turned the money down (clearly neither a doctor nor a nurse and thus earning at least twice or three times what a nurse does) can give the money herself?.

What on earth are you on about? I was criticising the hospital, and on the side of the fund-raisers, which I'd've thought was obvious from my post.

[Owlswing]

What on earth are you on about? I was criticising the hospital, and on the side of the fund-raisers, which I'd've thought was obvious from my post.

. . . the hands of the Daily Hate-mail, and for once I'd be inclined to agree with them.

I read this as your agree with the DHM!