Freedom of Expression is Dead in Britain

[jeremyp]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925

A man trained his girlfriend's dog to react to the phrase "gas the jews" and to raise its paw when he says "Sieg Heil". Then he put a video of his "accomplishments" on Youtube. I've seen the video and, personally, I found it unfunny, but I can see how Nazis and Jews might find it offensive.

If somebody finds something you say offensive, you can now go to prison in this country. This is a black day.

[Aruntraveller]

I'm struggling with this, are not Youtube guilty also? 

[Grace of God]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925

A man trained his girlfriend's dog to react to the phrase "gas the jews" and to raise its paw when he says "Sieg Heil". Then he put a video of his "accomplishments" on Youtube. I've seen the video and, personally, I found it unfunny, but I can see how Nazis and Jews might find it offensive.

If somebody finds something you say offensive, you can now go to prison in this country. This is a black day.

freedom of expression is dead in the whole world...

by the use of "hate speech" laws, basically they can stop anyone saying anything...

this is why the gang grooming of white girls by muslims in Britain has gone relatively unchallenged..

[Aruntraveller]

freedom of expression is dead in the whole world...

Well, at least we can take some comfort from the fact that hyperbole isn't dead.

[Aruntraveller]

the use of "hate speech" laws, basically they can stop anyone saying anything...

this is why the gang grooming of white girls by muslims in Britain has gone relatively unchallenged

Yes and don't forget the abuse that went on for decades by Catholic Priests. The reason they weren't challenged must be down to hate speech laws as well

[floo]

I am glad certain things are no longer acceptable, like racism and stigmatising gays, for instance.

[Grace of God]

Well, at least we can take some comfort from the fact that hyperbole isn't dead.

wow I like that...

[Grace of God]

I am glad certain things are no longer acceptable, like racism and stigmatising gays, for instance.

yes such important matters...

who is it taking farms off white people again... I forget!!

[floo]

yes such important matters...

who is it taking farms off white people again... I forget!!

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Yes it is very important. When I was young there were notices up saying 'No Blacks', and homosexuality was illegal. There are some who would happily go back to those intolerant times. 

[Grace of God]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Yes it is very important. When I was young there were notices up saying 'No Blacks', and homosexuality was illegal. There are some who would happily go back to those intolerant times. 

but it seems black lives matter, yet for some reason white lives do not...

I haven't heard anyone ranting about white farmers being killed, raped and now they are legalising taking property of them..

you hear so much about women's rights, yet no one seems to lift a finger to help their fellow females who are covered from head to toe in a black bag and are more or less slaves to their husbands...

funny how some things matter...

[floo]

but it seems black lives matter, yet for some reason white lives do not...

I haven't heard anyone ranting about white farmers being killed, raped and now they are legalising taking property of them..

you hear so much about women's rights, yet no one seems to lift a finger to help their fellow females who are covered from head to toe in a black bag and are more or less slaves to their husbands...

funny how some things matter...

I haven't heard that one, have you a link?

I agree that woman should be treated as equals and it is WRONG for them to enslaved by there husbands.

[Grace of God]

I haven't heard that one, have you a link?

I agree that woman should be treated as equals and it is WRONG for them to enslaved by there husbands.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-white-farms-land-seizure-anc-race-relations-a8234461.html

It just seems to me that certain agendas are pushed while some very important agendas are completely ignored and |I would like to know why..

[floo]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-white-farms-land-seizure-anc-race-relations-a8234461.html

It just seems to me that certain agendas are pushed while some very important agendas are completely ignored and |I would like to know why..

Not right, but I suspect their forebears took the land off the original inhabitants, probably by force.

[Grace of God]

Not right, but I suspect their forebears took the land off the original inhabitants, probably by force.

they probably did but as you say two wrongs don't make a right..

[Aruntraveller]

but it seems black lives matter, yet for some reason white lives do not...

This is a gross misrepresentation of the situation.

The reason for BLM is that on nearly every indicator black people are worse off in this country. They have poorer mental health, they get treated differently (and not in a good way) by the police, they work in lower paid jobs, they have worse outcomes educationally. You get the picture. Some areas of society seek to rectify that situation. They are not saying white lives don't matter - they are saying black lives matter just the same as white lives do.

[floo]

This is a gross misrepresentation of the situation.

The reason for BLM is that on nearly every indicator black people are worse off in this country. They have poorer mental health, they get treated differently (and not in a good way) by the police, they work in lower paid jobs, they have worse outcomes educationally. You get the picture. Some areas of society seek to rectify that situation. They are not saying white lives don't matter - they are saying black lives matter just the same as white lives do.

Exactly.

[Steve H]

but it seems black lives matter, yet for some reason white lives do not...

I haven't heard anyone ranting about white farmers being killed, raped and now they are legalising taking property of them..

you hear so much about women's rights, yet no one seems to lift a finger to help their fellow females who are covered from head to toe in a black bag and are more or less slaves to their husbands...

funny how some things matter...

What complete and utter bollocks. All lives matter, and no-one but a racist says otherwise. As for white farmers - I take it you're referring to Zimbabwe, which no-one in their right mind defends. I'm sure there have been threads about it on here in the past.

[Nearly Sane]

What complete and utter bollocks. All lives matter, and no-one but a racist says otherwise. As for white farmers - I take it you're referring to Zimbabwe, which no-one in their right mind defends. I'm sure there have been threads about it on here in the past.

In this case South Africa, GoG posted link later on thread


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-white-farms-land-seizure-anc-race-relations-a8234461.html

[Robbie]

I do happen to know a Zimbabwe family (farmers) who came back here many years ago. They lost some but were sensible and invested over here.; they had originally emigrated to Zimbabwe, goodness knows why, from UK. Nothing bitter or racist about them at all tho' didn't care for Mugabe, how he turned out after a while.

Grace, here in the UK all lives matter. If black people make a lot out of black lives mattering it's because black people in this country have generally had a very bad deal. Less so now of course thank goodness, far better than when I was a youngster (teen from '74), in the 1970s, & early on there was tremendous racism against 'Asians' who came here from Kenya and Uganda, my parents were involved in helping the latter settle here;  institutionalised racism still exists amongst the ignorant unfortunately.

[Steve H]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-white-farms-land-seizure-anc-race-relations-a8234461.html

It just seems to me that certain agendas are pushed while some very important agendas are completely ignored and |I would like to know why..

I don't think any agenda is ignored. I've read and heard plenty about the abuse of white farmers.

[Steve H]

Robert E ba gum has had a good few mentions on here.

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[ippy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925

A man trained his girlfriend's dog to react to the phrase "gas the jews" and to raise its paw when he says "Sieg Heil". Then he put a video of his "accomplishments" on Youtube. I've seen the video and, personally, I found it unfunny, but I can see how Nazis and Jews might find it offensive.

If somebody finds something you say offensive, you can now go to prison in this country. This is a black day.

First, I have no sympathy with this terrible idea and reaction the dog was trained to do, none whatsoever.

Having said the above j p, I think you've got a point.

Regards ippy

[jeremyp]

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[JP]

Freedom of expression no longer exists in the UK. This is a cornerstone of a democracy and when one goes the other will eventually follow.

[Aruntraveller]

Freedom of expression no longer exists in the UK. This is a cornerstone of a democracy and when one goes the other will eventually follow.

This, of course, is complete and utter gonads. You have every right to free expression, its just that responsibilty also comes with that freedom.

As far as I can see most of the people who object to the "restrictions" placed on speech are mainly objecting because they can't say "fuck off home, Paki" or some such other charming phrase without being challenged and sometimes penalised.

As for democracy, ha - have you taken a close look at our electoral system lately?