Where are you politically?

[jakswan]

Centre, with swings on some issues to both sides, I'd nationalise the insolvency industry (utterly corrupt), I think having national investment bank is a good idea, so those are 'left', I think the private sector does have a role to play in NHS, so that is 'right'.

I could vote Labour if they were being honest, on economics their last manifesto amounted to a pack of lies.

[jakswan]

Some of the SNP's policies are centre left, others liberal, a few radical - and culturally conservative.
To categorise them as 'left of centre' would therefore ber to limit them.

They are right wing but spin left, e.g. tax policy:-

Left, Labour 1p on income tax
Centre, Lib Dems 1p on income tax
Right of centre, SNP some raises on income tax.
Right, Tories decreases on income tax.

How many years did Sturgeon whinge about 'Tory austerity' but will not raise taxes to end it.

[Nearly Sane]

They are right wing but spin left, e.g. tax policy:-

Left, Labour 1p on income tax
Centre, Lib Dems 1p on income tax
Right of centre, SNP some raises on income tax.
Right, Tories decreases on income tax.

How many years did Sturgeon whinge about 'Tory austerity' but will not raise taxes to end it.

So your 'will not' is disproved by your statement of some raises.

[jakswan]

So your 'will not' is disproved by your statement of some raises.

To end 'Tory austerity' the SNP would have to raise taxes which would raise enough money to eradicate Tory cuts, some raises means and commitment to go no further means they will not end Tory austerity.

Do you agree that the SNP are a centre-right spin left party?

[Nearly Sane]

To end 'Tory austerity' the SNP would have to raise taxes which would raise enough money to eradicate Tory cuts, some raises means and commitment to go no further means they will not end Tory austerity.

Do you agree that the SNP are a centre-right spin left party?

They have raised taxes (which you said they will not do) , and tried to do it via a more redistributive, and therefore more 'left wing' process than the 1p on basic taxation. I think they are a centre left party, not very far left, but then we don't have any of those.

Note in addition to trying a redistributive element here, they've also allowed bigger rises,on thee highest poll tax bands to do the same thing.

[jakswan]

They have raised taxes (which you said they will not do) , and tried to do it via a more redistributive, and therefore more 'left wing' process than the 1p on basic taxation. I think they are a centre left party, not very far left, but then we don't have any of those.

Fair enough I'll rephrase my original statement to:-

How many years did Sturgeon whinge about 'Tory austerity' but will not raise taxes high enough to end it.

[Nearly Sane]

Fair enough I'll rephrase my original statement to:-

How many years did Sturgeon whinge about 'Tory austerity' but will not raise taxes high enough to end it.

You mean when the powers to do it in a redistributive fashion, I.e. not raise basic tax but adjust higher taxes, that would be none iirc since last year the allowance at the higher rate was kept lower, and this year we have adjustments in the tax rates.

[jakswan]

You mean when the powers to do it in a redistributive fashion, I.e. not raise basic tax but adjust higher taxes, that would be none iirc since last year the allowance at the higher rate was kept lower, and this year we have adjustments in the tax rates.

So the SNP will be ending austerity by raising higher rate of taxes? Does everyone in Scotland know this? 

[Nearly Sane]

So the SNP will be ending austerity by raising higher rate of taxes? Does everyone in Scotland know this?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-most-scots-back-snp-s-tax-rise-plan-1-4664721

[jakswan]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-most-scots-back-snp-s-tax-rise-plan-1-4664721

I was out of touch didn't realise these new bands were coming in but again we see Labour to the left of SNP on this issue wanting much more done to overcome austerity.

I think the SNP is a party at best of the centre, I'd say almost Blairte on the left - right spectrum, and that it likes to spin to the left, its good strategy, keeps everyone's, sometimes fawning, support. Its an opinion, that you disagree is very much up to you.

[Nearly Sane]

I was out of touch didn't realise these new bands were coming in but again we see Labour to the left of SNP on this issue wanting much more done to overcome austerity.

I think the SNP is a party at best of the centre, I'd say almost Blairte on the left - right spectrum, and that it likes to spin to the left, its good strategy, keeps everyone's, sometimes fawning, support. Its an opinion, that you disagree is very much up to you.

Well we see that a Labour spokesperson portrayed their policy as more radical to be precise, but even if that is true in this case that's not useful in stating that the SNP are not being left of centre here. As I've already argued I think a redistributive policy such as the SNP here is inherently left wing. I know that you keep saying that you think the SNP are centre right, and I know that's your opinion, but that's just repetition - what you need is arguments. So given that your idea that they weren't using the taxation plans has been shown to be incorrect, and I note you ignored the not raising of the higher allowance last year, and the allowance to raise higher council tax payments at the same time, I'm not sure what you are basing your case on.

[jakswan]

So given that your idea that they weren't using the taxation plans has been shown to be incorrect,

Nope that wasn't what i said.

How many years did Sturgeon whinge about 'Tory austerity' but will not raise taxes high enough to end it.

and I note you ignored the not raising of the higher allowance last year, and the allowance to raise higher council tax payments at the same time, I'm not sure what you are basing your case on.

Basing a case? Merely stating an opinion.

[Nearly Sane]

Nope that wasn't what i said.

How many years did Sturgeon whinge about 'Tory austerity' but will not raise taxes high enough to end it.

Basing a case? Merely stating an opinion.

To be fair, given you said they had changed taxes a bit but also were not willing to change taxes in the same post it's quite difficult to work out what you are trying to say. And that's without you actually not knowing with what was happening to taxes.

Already covered the question of why taxes weren't raised earlier, there was no possibility of making it redistributive because any move on one tax band had to be applied to them all.


If you simply want to post 'opinion' as something different from something you might want to justify, then I will wave au revoir to such 'discussions'.