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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2018, 05:26:25 PM »
I found this which seems to be quite a good explanation of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine with scriptural back up:-
https://www.allaboutgod.com/once-saved-always-saved.htm

I'm not convinced though am sure, as I said before, God doesn't let any of us go that easily.
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2018, 06:17:56 PM »
 
Romans 8 is my "desert island" chapter, the chapter I'd take with me to that fabled desert island.
The question I'd ask, though, is this;
What of those who have made a sincwere commitment, shown all the signs of the fruit of the Spirit, even led others to Christ - yet for some reason or other, have lost their faith.
Are they still saved?

Yes they are still saved, on accepting Jesus your sins are covered from there on in God keeps no record of your sins just sees the blood of Jesus that paid for you..
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2018, 07:06:06 PM »
Yes they are still saved, on accepting Jesus your sins are covered from there on in God keeps no record of your sins just sees the blood of Jesus that paid for you..


That stinks of Calvinist election.
Come off it; in that scenario, a person who sincerely commits to Christ thrn loses their faith along ther way - even rejects it - is guaranteed a place in eternity even if he becomes an unrepentant mass murderer?
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2018, 07:20:43 PM »

That stinks of Calvinist election.
Come off it; in that scenario, a person who sincerely commits to Christ thrn loses their faith along ther way - even rejects it - is guaranteed a place in eternity even if he becomes an unrepentant mass murderer?

Well said.
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2018, 10:51:48 PM »

That stinks of Calvinist election.
Come off it; in that scenario, a person who sincerely commits to Christ thrn loses their faith along ther way - even rejects it - is guaranteed a place in eternity even if he becomes an unrepentant mass murderer?
I reject ASOS as well, but this is not a good argument. It reminds me of the nonsense always brought against pacifists - "What would you do if a maniac was trying to rape your sister?". In both cases, you think up a highy unlikely and atypical scenario, and think you've demolished the other person's argument.
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2018, 11:16:07 PM »
I reject ASOS as well, but this is not a good argument. It reminds me of the nonsense always brought against pacifists - "What would you do if a maniac was trying to rape your sister?". In both cases, you think up a highy unlikely and atypical scenario, and think you've demolished the other person's argument.

The usual answer is that they were never saved in the first place, which creates more problems, unless one hapoens to be hardcore Calvanist in which case they would argue no sin could cause a person to lose their salvation, which is bollocks of course.
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2018, 12:20:07 AM »
I reject ASOS as well, but this is not a good argument. It reminds me of the nonsense always brought against pacifists - "What would you do if a maniac was trying to rape your sister?". In both cases, you think up a highy unlikely and atypical scenario, and think you've demolished the other person's argument.


Of course the argumen is both hypotetical and simplistic: it illustrates the point, though.
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2018, 09:38:16 PM »

That stinks of Calvinist election.
Come off it; in that scenario, a person who sincerely commits to Christ thrn loses their faith along ther way - even rejects it - is guaranteed a place in eternity even if he becomes an unrepentant mass murderer?

not sure anyone who professed to being a Christian would ever become a mass murderer, I would certainly question there salvation any way but either the blood of Jesus covered all sins for all time for every believer or it did not...
What the argument does open if we take it down the route of losing salvation, how many and of what magnitude of sin does it take to negate the blood she for sins??
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2018, 09:33:25 AM »
not sure anyone who professed to being a Christian would ever become a mass murderer, I would certainly question there salvation any way but either the blood of Jesus covered all sins for all time for every believer or it did not...
What the argument does open if we take it down the route of losing salvation, how many and of what magnitude of sin does it take to negate the blood she for sins??


There is no sin, no amount of sin, which cannot be forgiven through Calvary (save one, but that's another thread)
But to say that if a person who is truly commited to Christ, shows every eveidence of the fruits of the Spirit, and even leads others to Christ, yet, at some point rejects his or her faith is still saved, makes Calvary a whole lot cheaper than it is.
And, yes, I knowe of such a person - now spending time at 'her majesty's' pleasure for a crime - not murder or assault, but a crime for which he is unrepentant.
Is his salvation secure even though he rejects it?
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I want, for my part only the little white rose of Scotland,
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2018, 04:52:41 PM »
not sure anyone who professed to being a Christian would ever become a mass murderer, I would certainly question there salvation any way but either the blood of Jesus covered all sins for all time for every believer or it did not...
What the argument does open if we take it down the route of losing salvation, how many and of what magnitude of sin does it take to negate the blood she for sins??

I feel the shadow of "Confessions of a Justified Sinner" hanging over this thread. Never mind St Paul, who continually contradicted himself. Never mind the gospels, which are all over the bloody place.

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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2018, 01:58:20 PM »
I feel the shadow of "Confessions of a Justified Sinner" hanging over this thread. Never mind St Paul, who continually contradicted himself. Never mind the gospels, which are all over the bloody place.
Can I remind you that this is the faith sharing area. Why are you trying to derail this thread?
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2018, 02:05:39 PM »
what's your opinion...
The Lord Jesus talks in John 3 about the need to be born again spiritually. Like the natural birth, I believe this only happens once and it is this which makes someone a Christian.

How the Christian lives thereafter will affect their reward, but I don't believe that their salvation is affected.

Ultimately, the Christian is in a relationship with God. I don't believe that I can lose my salvation any more than I can stop being the son of my parents. Nothing I do can change the latter although the way I live may affect the quality of the relationship. As in the natural, same for the spiritual, in my opinion.
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Re: Christians only, do you believe OSAS, is correct by scripture??
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2018, 02:48:05 PM »
John 3 is about the sacrament of baptism.
Rationalism leads to Protestantism leads to atheism.