more deaths in Germany...

[Steve H]

That guy didn't appear to love the ones he didn't approve of.

Telling people hard truths that they need to hear but may not want to hear is an act of love, and that's what "that guy" did.

[floo]

Telling people hard truths that they need to hear but may not want to hear is an act of love, and that's what "that guy" did.

In your opinion. Of course we have no idea if anything attributed to Jesus was factual.

[Grace of God]

Not all Muslims are extremists, anymore than all Christians are. It is fundies of both religions who give them a bad name.

yet it seems every day another musim atrocity, can they all be coincidence..... what about the massive grooming incidents in Britain, practically every perpetrator was a muslim... more coincidence...

[Grace of God]

If you missed all the statements of condemnation of theological justification for terrorism by various Muslim organisations, I can't help you. That's something you will have to discuss with the editor of the Sun or Daily Mail or whatever newspaper you read to keep yourself informed, and question why these statements were not covered by their newspapers.

You can state what you believe the Quran says - whether other people believe your statements or not is a different matter. But if posting your beliefs is a need you have - ok.

There are websites full of claims about what the Quran supposedly says - another poster, Trippy, used to "entertain" people by posting quotes from these websites on the Muslim Board but never did share the name of the translation of the Quran that these websites were using, which probably means they were made up or altered. In response I used to post links to online widely-used Quran translations that conflicted with Trippy's translations. He continued to believe his translations were correct - that was enough for him. Apart from Trippy, there were a few other posters who copied and pasted from the same websites he did.  I don't plan on wasting mine or everyone else's time repeating the whole process again with you about what the Quran supposedly says or how different Muslims interpret it in the practice of their religion.

yep I must have missed them all saying don't blow up kids, in the same way i missed them saying don't groom white girls and don't do thighing... guess i have my eyes completely closed...

[Steve H]

guess i have my eyes completely closed...

I wouldn't know, but mind, certainly.

[Grace of God]

I wouldn't know, but mind, certainly.

so people shouldn't be outraged by suicide bombers, child grooming, gays being killed or children being sexually assaulted, i'm pleased my mind isn't as closed to human suffering as yours...

[Harrowby Hall]

Remind me - who was it who told us to love our enemies?

Indeed, Steve.

And who is my neighbour? Did not the priest and the Levite pass by on the other side?

It would seem that a Christian is someone who totally ignores the teaching of Jesus.

[Grace of God]

Indeed, Steve.

And who is my neighbour? Did not the priest and the Levite pass by on the other side?

It would seem that a Christian is someone who totally ignores the teaching of Jesus.

love your enemies of course but it does not mean you make excuses for their behaviour, when Jesus said you brood of vipers, do you think he was being friendly..lol

[floo]

yet it seems every day another musim atrocity, can they all be coincidence..... what about the massive grooming incidents in Britain, practically every perpetrator was a muslim... more coincidence...

Oh come on, lots people who are guilty of grooming children aren't Muslims. Grooming has been going on since Adam was a lad, some of the Biblical characters seem to have sex with anything that moved, and you can bet their victims were young, and had no say in the matter. God is supposed to have got Mary pregnant, I suspect she would be considered under age in most Western countries in this day and age.

[Robbie]

Grace seems to be a single minded person with a mission.

[Grace of God]

Oh come on, lots people who are guilty of grooming children aren't Muslims. Grooming has been going on since Adam was a lad, some of the Biblical characters seem to have sex with anything that moved, and you can bet their victims were young, and had no say in the matter. God is supposed to have got Mary pregnant, I suspect she would be considered under age in most Western countries in this day and age.

the recent rotherham and area groomings have proven to be about 95% muslim...  unfortunately the media have given no warnings to white girls and have kept the information very quiet, a recent labour politician said women who are raped by muslim men should keep their mouths shut in the interest of good relations, this is all very dodgy..

[Robbie]

There is nothing new under the sun.

I remember 'grooming gangs' in the news - some local to me if not on doorstep - tho' they were not always called that, with a different demographic. We talked about them at school, finding it all quite scary and fascinating at the same time.  Same MO - taxi firm, cafe on edge of shopping centre.

My mother told me when she was a young person, the demographic was different again but the same things happened.

A lot of that depends on the area in which it takes place. It happens in all other countries too.

People will latch on to perpetrators who are 'different' but there have always been plenty of English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh who have operated illegal prostitution rings and still are.

We can't always blame Maltese, Jamaicans, Pakistanis/Bangladeshis, Russians being the latest......

It's something that's never been dealt with satisfactorily by the law for all sorts of reasons though I think that has improved in recent times.

I wonder about the demographics of the customers?

[Grace of God]

There is nothing new under the sun.

I remember 'grooming gangs' in the news - some local to me if not on doorstep - tho' they were not always called that, with a different demographic. We talked about them at school, finding it all quite scary and fascinating at the same time.  Same MO - taxi firm, cafe on edge of shopping centre.

My mother told me when she was a young person, the demographic was different again but the same things happened.

A lot of that depends on the area in which it takes place. It happens in all other countries too.

People will latch on to perpetrators who are 'different' but there have always been plenty of English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh who have operated illegal prostitution rings and still are.

We can't always blame Maltese, Jamaicans, Pakistanis/Bangladeshis, Russians being the latest......

It's something that's never been dealt with satisfactorily by the law for all sorts of reasons though I think that has improved in recent times.

I wonder about the demographics of the customers?

more excuses for muslims, so you don't mind muslim child rapists, you don't mind muslim grooming gangs, you don't mind muslim suicide bombers, it isn't hard to guess why??

weird how rape seems to immediately increase around muslim groups especially migrants, what more coincidence...!!!

[Robbie]

My post above was quite clear and objective, anyone else would see that. Some of my work concerns supporting people who have suffered abuse, I also come across people whose behaviour has been quite shocking so you can't teach me anything about man's inhumanity to man. I wonder what personal experience you have or are your opinions fuelled by the media.

I'm not going to rise to the bait Grace; play another tune please.

[Grace of God]

My post above was quite clear and objective, anyone else would see that. Some of my work concerns supporting people who have suffered abuse, I also come across people whose behaviour has been quite shocking so you can't teach me anything about man's inhumanity to man. I wonder what personal experience you have or are your opinions fuelled by the media.

I'm not going to rise to the bait Grace; play another tune please.

If you help people who suffer abuse, why do you make excuses for abusers, do you tell the victims it is there fault??

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

the recent rotherham and area groomings have proven to be about 95% muslim...  unfortunately the media have given no warnings to white girls and have kept the information very quiet, a recent labour politician said women who are raped by muslim men should keep their mouths shut in the interest of good relations, this is all very dodgy..

As this article in the Independent shows, the media are not keeping quiet about the information they have on grooming gangs of Pakistani heritage targeting vulnerable girls and white paedophiles targeting children. There have been reports published based on whatever data they have been able to get - the authors of reports have just highlighted that there is limited data.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html%3famp

[Robbie]

I wasn't aware I'd ever made excuses for abusers (or blamed victims), I'm pretty sure I haven't; all I have done, or what I tried to do, is point out that abusers come from all sections of the community, not just one. That's a fact. However I realise your experience of life may cause you to see things differently. It's up to you if you want to share any of it with us.

(Hope you won't mind if I don't say anything more that is personal to me - suffice for people to know I'm a very ordinary married woman just gone 58 with two grown up daughters.)

Gabriella, just read your post. A very interesting article, I have read similar before but couldn't remember where.

This:-
“British white men they tend to work individually. They tend to work online where they groom and they are the majority of perpetrators. "

Yes but they do form groups, there are always groups of people of like mind, less obvious than the 'Asian' ones and more difficult to penetrate because of the secrecy involved. The cops have a hard job pinning them down. Interesting that they are the majority of perpetrators, doesn't surprise me at all.

Very tragic business.

[floo]

If you help people who suffer abuse, why do you make excuses for abusers, do you tell the victims it is there fault??

Robbie wasn't making excuses for abusers,, imo.

You seem to be suggesting Muslims are the main abusers when there are people of all faiths and none, who sexually abuse others. The Catholic Church has a bad track record in this respect!

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

If you help people who suffer abuse, why do you make excuses for abusers, do you tell the victims it is there fault??

If you care so much about people being abused why do you make excuses for white paedophiles abusing children in the UK by pretending this is only a Muslim issue? Do you tell the victims of white paedophiles in the UK that they are just attention-seeking and traitors to their country?? Do you tell the victims of white paedophiles that they are unnecessarily taking the media attention away from Muslim grooming gangs??

[Robbie]

Robbie wasn't making excuses for abusers,, imo.
You seem to be suggesting Muslims are the main abusers when there are people of all faiths and none, who sexually abuse others. The Catholic Church has a bad track record in this respect!

Yes but in their case it was sections of the clergy who were able to hide behind their status (can't do that now because clergy status has been well & truly shattered). Nobody goes around saying all Catholics are abusers, indeed when the abuse first came to light most Catholics were as shocked as anyone else.

In the case of the Muslims it isn't Imams, seems to be more of the less educated type Muslims who drive taxis and/or have little cafes.

Gabriella, over to you, I see you've posted while I've been typing this.

[Grace of God]

As this article in the Independent shows, the media are not keeping quiet about the information they have on grooming gangs of Pakistani heritage targeting vulnerable girls and white paedophiles targeting children. There have been reports published based on whatever data they have been able to get - the authors of reports have just highlighted that there is limited data.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html%3famp

i wonder why the media hid it and everyone denied it was even happening for years...

[Grace of God]

If you care so much about people being abused why do you make excuses for white paedophiles abusing children in the UK by pretending this is only a Muslim issue? Do you tell the victims of white paedophiles in the UK that they are just attention-seeking and traitors to their country?? Do you tell the victims of white paedophiles that they are unnecessarily taking the media attention away from Muslim grooming gangs??

of course there are white paedophiles, i would not say otherwise, yet paedophilia seems to follow muslims around like a bad smell, perhaps it is because there alleged prophet married a child and they follow his example...

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

of course there are white paedophiles, i would not say otherwise, yet paedophilia seems to follow muslims around like a bad smell, perhaps it is because there alleged prophet married a child and they follow his example...

The report in the Independent article stated that 100% of the paedophiles who target children because the peadophiles have a prior interest in having sex with children were white. Why were 100% of those types of paedophiles white? What’s your view on how their race or culture led them to thinking that having sex with children here or travelling to foreign countries to have sex with children is ok? And do you think the media are doing enough to highlight the plight of foreign children abroad who are preyed on by these white sex tourists? Or do you think that has been covered up too?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

of course there are white paedophiles, i would not say otherwise

By the way, you didn’ answer the question. Do you tell their victims to not report the abuse because if it got in the media that might cause problems for the white community? Would you prefer the media did not report on white paedophiles in case people start a political party here calling for white people to leave Britain in case they are paedophiles?

[Grace of God]

The report in the Independent article stated that 100% of the paedophiles who target children because the peadophiles have a prior interest in having sex with children were white. Why were 100% of those types of paedophiles white? What’s your view on how their race or culture led them to thinking that having sex with children here or travelling to foreign countries to have sex with children is ok? And do you think the media are doing enough to highlight the plight of foreign children abroad who are preyed on by these white sex tourists? Or do you think that has been covered up too?

and what does that have to do with the obvious problem muslim have with raping white girls... of course allah, and mo think it's ok, perhaps that is why muslims have a problem with it...