Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So Corbyn's views on this are irrelevant to your support for him?

The Tory narrative must be torn up I don't see Cable, Krankie or Milliband doing that, can you?

[Grace of God]

How does that tie in with your original post on the thread


'Any woman who wants an abortion should have the right to do so and should not have to run the gauntlet of idiots who oppose her views... IMO.'

i was addressing those protesters who take more than a legal stance, in other words get aggressive...

[Nearly Sane]

i was addressing those protesters who take more than a legal stance, in other words get aggressive...

That isn't what that says. There is no mention of violence or a non legal stance in the post. So do I take it that you want to withdraw the remark?

[Nearly Sane]

The Tory narrative must be torn up I don't see Cable, Krankie or Milliband doing that, can you?

  What's that got to do with Jeremy Corbyn's support for buffer zones outside  abortion centres?

[Grace of God]

That isn't what that says. There is no mention of violence or a non legal stance in the post. So do I take it that you want to withdraw the remark?

i withdraw nothing, I told you to what I was referring, take it or leave it...

[Steve H]

Any woman who wants an abortion should have the right to do so and should not have to run the gauntlet of idiots who oppose her views... IMO.

- Common sense and compassion from GoG? Shome mishtake, surely?

[Grace of God]

- Common sense and compassion from GoG? Shome mishtake, surely?

no mistake ..

[Nearly Sane]

i withdraw nothing, I told you to what I was referring, take it or leave it...

Then you have contradicted yourself and aren't making any sense.

[Robbie]

NS a quick one from me before I go to bed, nearly asleep now so hope you'll forgive any grammatical inaccuracies.

You must know by now that Christian people across the board disagree on many issues; what I see here is that GofG disagrees with Christians who are militantly anti-abortion, as am I. There will be others who feel it is right to demonstrate against abortion.

Everyone has the right to make a protest but it must be peaceful - if they overstep the line and intimidate people who have different opinions, it's quite right if they are stopped; if necessary, forcibly.

Most of us don't like fanatics.

[Nearly Sane]

NS a quick one from me before I go to bed, nearly asleep now so hope you'll forgive any grammatical inaccuracies.

You must know by now that Christian people across the board disagree on many issues; what I see here is that GofG disagrees with Christians who are militantly anti-abortion, as am I. There will be others who feel it is right to demonstrate against abortion.

Everyone has the right to make a protest but it must be peaceful - if they overstep the line and intimidate people who have different opinions, it's quite right if they are stopped; if necessary, forcibly.

Most of us don't like fanatics.

The issue is about buffer zones. GoD's original post on the thread seemed very clear in supporting them but since this has been apparently contradicted. Do you agree with buffer zones?

[Grace of God]

Then you have contradicted yourself and aren't making any sense.

I would assume those who feel strongly against abortion will not let anyone pass by without being aggressive, more than likely in an abusive or physical way, much in the way some animal testing protesters can be, a peaceful protest is our legal right, allegedly, not everyone has that right for what ever reason and some get away with what is clearly not peaceful protest but that is another subject, if the protest is not peaceful it should be immediately dispersed, though again this can be used as an excuse to shut down any protest..

So to clarify, any woman has a right to an abortion if she wishes to have one, any protester should have the right to peacefully protest, if the protest is aggressive or physical, the idiots responsible should be removed...

[Nearly Sane]

I would assume those who feel strongly against abortion will not let anyone pass by without being aggressive, more than likely in an abusive or physical way, much in the way some animal testing protesters can be, a peaceful protest is our legal right, allegedly, not everyone has that right for what ever reason and some get away with what is clearly not peaceful protest but that is another subject, if the protest is not peaceful it should be immediately dispersed, though again this can be used as an excuse to shut down any protest..

So to clarify, any woman has a right to an abortion if she wishes to have one, any protester should have the right to peacefully protest, if the protest is aggressive or physical, the idiots responsible should be removed...

  So should there be buffer zones?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Apparently there is going to be a buffer zone.

Given that, what can now stop buffer zones against any cause?

Also have Ealing council specified exactly who or what is being buffered?

[Harrowby Hall]

I would assume those who feel strongly against abortion will not let anyone pass by without being aggressive, more than likely in an abusive or physical way, much in the way some animal testing protesters can be, a peaceful protest is our legal right, allegedly, not everyone has that right for what ever reason and some get away with what is clearly not peaceful protest but that is another subject, if the protest is not peaceful it should be immediately dispersed, though again this can be used as an excuse to shut down any protest..

You will (in your undoubted "Christian" fashion) call me a grammar Nazi ...

One characteristic which is evident in your posts is your reluctance to use normal English punctuation. You have a tendency to string a lot of words together and leave it to the reader to decodify. The sentence above (well, I assume it is a sentence) contains 92 words and ends with an ellipsis. A consequence of this is that any reader will find it difficult to understand your argument.

If you feel you have a valid point to make, then why not make it easy for your reader to understand the point you are making? If your reader finds it hard to understand your argument then he or she may be unsympathetic to your post - whatever its message.

Writing grammatical English is not pedantry, it is politeness. Writing grammatical English is also the first step in ensuring that your viewpoint is understood, accepted and respected.

[Robbie]

The ellipsis are annoying.......

GofG reminds me of Walter in some ways - different stance of course but if Walter wanted to have a laugh and put cat amongst pigeons it is spot on. A bit (very little bit) like Trippy, more educated than Tripster of course.

[Steve H]

The ellipsis are annoying.......

Ellipses. When they indicate something missing from a quotation, the rule is normaly three dots, but four if the missing portion spans more than one sentence. There should never be more than four.

[Robbie]

  I've obviously put too many dots, didn't know about the rule with ellipsis! No worries, I made my point.

Don't think buffer zones around abortion clinics are a good idea because they actually draw attention to the place, which should be anonymous. Surely anyone can see that someone going into an abortion clinic wants to do so privately.

Might help if protestors were advised to walk a mile in the shoes of others and be more sensitive, not be so bogged down with one issue. If they're not prepared to do that & continue to protest outside clinics I'm more than happy for the police to cart them away - they must be so intimidating.

Despite all that I don't understand why women go to abortion clinics when it so easy to obtain an abortion without doing that. Had I wanted one when I was young I'd have asked my GP to refer me somewhere that wasn't just for abortions and in this day and age abortifacients are easily obtainable for early pregnancies.

[Aruntraveller]

Aren't abortion clinics as such, much more of an American thing?

Certainly, locally abortions are carried out at our Trust. We have recently been plagued by anti abortion groups:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-43006171

[Walt Zingmatilder]

  What's that got to do with Jeremy Corbyn's support for buffer zones outside  abortion centres?

That wasn't what you asked which was does the fact that he is in error on this, IMV, affect my support. No....because of reasons I have set out.

[Grace of God]

You will (in your undoubted "Christian" fashion) call me a grammar Nazi ...

One characteristic which is evident in your posts is your reluctance to use normal English punctuation. You have a tendency to string a lot of words together and leave it to the reader to decodify. The sentence above (well, I assume it is a sentence) contains 92 words and ends with an ellipsis. A consequence of this is that any reader will find it difficult to understand your argument.

If you feel you have a valid point to make, then why not make it easy for your reader to understand the point you are making? If your reader finds it hard to understand your argument then he or she may be unsympathetic to your post - whatever its message.

Writing grammatical English is not pedantry, it is politeness. Writing grammatical English is also the first step in ensuring that your viewpoint is understood, accepted and respected.

thank you master yoda, very interesting your grammer nazi was... lol.....