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Walt Zingmatilder

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Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« on: April 10, 2018, 05:19:33 PM »
Not sure public space should be given over to one opinion on an issue.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 05:37:48 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 10, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Not sure public space should be given over to one opinion on an issue.

Women have a right to an abortion, they should not be subjected to pro-life protestors.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2018, 05:40:50 PM »
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 05:42:02 PM »
http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/10/buffer-zones-to-stop-abortion-clinic-protests-are-wanted-needed-and-overdue-7452047/

Being as (early) abortions usually consist of taking two lots of medication, some hours apart, nowadays, I think there will be less need for an 'abortion clinic' as such in the future.

Those that exist already could easily incorporate other types of treatment & not just be an abortion clinic.

I've known women who had abortions years ago and they went to a gynaecologist in London and were quickly and discreetly admitted to a clinic or hospital where the gynaecologist performed many other procedures. No-one knew who was admitted for what.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 05:43:46 PM »
I suppose it's about harassment and intimidation.   I've read some terrible reports of pregnant women being freaked out by demonstrators.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 05:51:53 PM »
Yes, it's a pity they aren't quietly ushered away by the law. If they are harrassing people they must be breaking a law.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 06:55:07 PM »
Any woman who wants an abortion should have the right to do so and should not have to run the gauntlet of idiots who oppose her views... IMO.
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 07:27:57 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on April 10, 2018, 05:37:48 PM
Women have a right to an abortion, they should not be subjected to pro-life protestors.
Yes...........No. I'm afraid Antitheists have made it clear that certain beliefs and believers should be challenged and that cannot just apply to them. Dawkins has set a justification for pro-life protestors.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 07:30:44 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 10, 2018, 07:27:57 PM
Yes...........No. I'm afraid Antitheists have made it clear that certain beliefs and believers should be challenged and that cannot just apply to them. Dawkins has set a justification for pro-life protestors.
So Corbyn is an antitheist that you think is a hypocrite?
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 07:32:15 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on April 10, 2018, 05:43:46 PM
I suppose it's about harassment and intimidation.   I've read some terrible reports of pregnant women being freaked out by demonstrators.
Which edition of antitheists Gazette was that in?
Harrassment and intimidation are illegal and dealt with by the police.

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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 07:32:52 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 10, 2018, 07:30:44 PM
So Corbyn is an antitheist that you think is a hypocrite?
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 07:34:37 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 10, 2018, 07:32:52 PM
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Corbyn supports the buffer zones.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2018, 07:37:05 PM »
Quote from: Grace of God on April 10, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
Any woman who wants an abortion should have the right to do so and should not have to run the gauntlet of idiots who oppose her views... IMO.

How many of your fellow Christians do you see as a 'gauntlet of idiots'?
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2018, 07:38:13 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 10, 2018, 07:37:05 PM
How many of your fellow Christians do you see as a 'gauntlet of idiots'?
Stupid question.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2018, 07:40:06 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 10, 2018, 07:38:13 PM
Stupid question.
But GoG sees the protestors as a 'gauntlet of idiots'. So in what way is the question stupid?

As opposed to you arguing that Jeremy Corbyn is a hypocritical antitheist.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2018, 07:43:51 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 10, 2018, 07:40:06 PM
But GoG sees the protestors as a 'gauntlet of idiots'. So in what way is the question stupid?

As opposed to you arguing that Jeremy Corbyn is a hypocritical antitheist.
GoG considers those protesting as idiots. That's pretty clear cut.
I didn't know Jeremy Corbyn was an antitheist in fact I think you are wrong. In other words I cannot envisage him writing as you have on this forum. What has Jeremy Corbyn got to do with it?

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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2018, 07:48:48 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 10, 2018, 07:43:51 PM
GoG considers those protesting as idiots. That's pretty clear cut.
I didn't know Jeremy Corbyn was an antitheist in fact I think you are wrong. In other words I cannot envisage him writing as you have on this forum. What has Jeremy Corbyn got to do with it?
And I would like to know what number of his fellow Christians who protest such things, GoG thinks are a 'gauntlet of idiots'

It's the logic of your posts here that people supporting buffer zones are hypocritical antitheists. And Corbyn supports them. So you think he is a hypocritical antitheist.
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2018, 07:51:12 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 10, 2018, 07:37:05 PM
How many of your fellow Christians do you see as a 'gauntlet of idiots'?

Any that would stop a woman exercising her legal right... :)
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2018, 07:53:24 PM »
Quote from: Grace of God on April 10, 2018, 07:51:12 PM
Any that would stop a woman exercising her legal right... :)
What about those who support the right of protestors, such as Private Frazer on this thread?
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2018, 07:59:23 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 10, 2018, 07:53:24 PM
What about those who support the right of protestors, such as Private Frazer on this thread?

they have a right to peaceful protest as all do, yet when it suits we see peaceful protests stopped...

no one seemed that bothered when many brave soldiers came home to people screaming and shouting and spitting at them, why does this one peak such an interest...
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2018, 08:02:59 PM »
Quote from: Grace of God on April 10, 2018, 07:59:23 PM
they have a right to peaceful protest as all do, yet when it suits we see peaceful protests stopped...

no one seemed that bothered when many brave soldiers came home to people screaming and shouting and spitting at them, why does this one peak such an interest...

But you wanted them stopped earlier as a 'gauntlet of idiots'. pricate Frazer dors not agrer with that so you seem to opposed. Not sure what relevance your second para has to anything
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2018, 08:07:02 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 10, 2018, 08:02:59 PM
But you wanted them stopped earlier as a 'gauntlet of idiots'. pricate Frazer dors not agrer with that so you seem to opposed. Not sure what relevance your second para has to anything

nope , if they are violent they should be stopped, peaceful protest is a legal right...
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2018, 08:21:20 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 10, 2018, 07:48:48 PM
And I would like to know what number of his fellow Christians who protest such things, GoG thinks are a 'gauntlet of idiots'

It's the logic of your posts here that people supporting buffer zones are hypocritical antitheists.
Not exclusively.
However this IS religionethics and therefore it's quite legitimate to focus on that element. A bit like talking about Dahlias on the gardening forum.

Should Pope Benedict have had a Dawkins free buffer zone when he came to visit?
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2018, 08:22:05 PM »
Quote from: Grace of God on April 10, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
nope , if they are violent they should be stopped, peaceful protest is a legal right...
How does that tie in with your original post on the thread


'Any woman who wants an abortion should have the right to do so and should not have to run the gauntlet of idiots who oppose her views... IMO.'
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Re: Buffer zones around abortion clinics-Good idea?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 08:23:58 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on April 10, 2018, 08:21:20 PM
Not exclusively.
However this IS religionethics and therefore it's quite legitimate to focus on that element. A bit like talking about Dahlias on the gardening forum.

Should Pope Benedict have had a Dawkins free buffer zone when he came to visit?
So Corbyn's views on this are irrelevant to your support for him?
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